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Just a couple of additional comment to your analysis.

AdzZoo has satisfied the program requirements and gained status as an “AdWords Qualified Company” in the “Google Advertising Professionals” program. Only 1 of 157 such designations in the USA.

In the last 6 months of operations, AdzZoo has put it’s advertising clients on the first page of Google searches over 35,000,000 time and increasing at a rate of 6-7,000,000 per week.

AdzZoo’s compensation is based on both a direct commission of 40% for the first year and 30% lifetime residual commissions, paid weekly, and a binary MLM that does not flush points of qualified agents in good standing.

It is the only home based business I know of that allows someone to join for $15 monthly and earn a sales commission that is paid weekly.

Another anomaly in the home based business environment, we are the low cost leaders in the field of online advertising with a simple ‘plain English’ money back guarantee –

AdzZoo, LLC guarantees that we will deliver an optimized landing page, that is customized for your business, within 5 business days of processing the payment for your order.

AdzZoo also guarantees that the links to your AdzZoo landing page will begin to appear on Google search immediately upon launch of your campaign on a rotational basis.

AdzZoo further guarantees that your landing page will average first page
placement within the first 30 days.

From that date forward, we guarantee that your average placement for relevant Google searches will be on the first page of the Google search results.

I will be glad to answer any of your questions directly.

Good luck in your endeavors.

Well I would say Alex and Marshall covered my response very well. Great job guys.

AdzZoo is one of the company’s on the internet that has not been kicked out of Google’s search engine for not following their rules. I have sold many ads and my clients are very happy with the service. We make it affordable for the small business owner to compete with the large chain stores that dominate the internet. We are bringing a low cost alternative to typical SEO that costs much more than our campaigns and have quick results that work. Lucy, if you need more insight, let me know.

Barbara,
Well if AdzZoo was a pyramid scheme, do you think that Google would actually give us a title as a Google Certified Adwords company? I don’t think so. There are only 160 companies in the world with this recognition. Besides, with the $299, you also get over $900 in ad credits that you can sell to make your money back. For the $14.95, it is not only tech help for clients, but also for the reps and they give you 2 websites to promote the service. I have been doing very well with this company and my clients are thankful that I came threw their door. I have also been receiving referrals from them. So is it a scam? I don’t think so….

I agree with a lot that Chad has said – being a “Google Adwords Qualified Company” only means that your company has managed $xxx amount of adspend on Google Adwords for 3 months.

The problem with adzoo, from a real SEM’s perspective is that the consumer is getting a laughable amount of adspend – so laughable that I wouldn’t recommend a customer to even consider advertising with such a low amount of money.

Imagine they choose the $170 or whatever amount package…the salesperson takes out their 40% commission, the person above them takes out a cut, and of course Adzzoo themselves take an unknown cut.

What does this leave the small business owner in terms of adspend? $50?

That is worth about not spit in clicks (depending on industry) on the “1st page of Google”.

Well, Mr. SEO, first I want to thank you for the comment. I can prove to you that the ad was displayed 7876 times on Google. This does not mean that it was clicked on that many times. It means that out of the 42 keywords that AdzZoo gave my client, they had 7876 impressions on Google. You forgot to mention to the readers that the ad on Google was clicked on 125 times.

* 125 Page Views: During this reporting period, 125 visitors reached your Web site. A page view occurs when someone is directed to your AdzZoo landing page.

By the way, just because one company spends more on Adwords than another, it does not mean that they will be higher ranked on Google. It is all about relevance and how much good content it has. If it was based on budget, then the small business owner would not be able to compete with the large chains. Our ad network spans out to over 5000 clients. They are seen on the sponsored side and organically. The client that I posted this campaign only pays $120 a month and they are on the 1st page.

Yes, AdzZoo is a network marketing company. That is really the only way to grow so fast. It does not give territories because it is a NETWORK MARKETING COMPANY. Show me one that gives territory. If you wanted a territory with any other company, you would have to pay huge royalties for that area. There are thousands of businesses in a small area that not one person can cover. There is enough business if there were 100 reps in lets say Miami area. We still couldn’t go thru all the businesses. We do not fight for the same business, we actually help each other out with getting business. The larger AdzZoo grows, the more popular it gets and the more easier it is to sell.

So, Mr. SEO if you are ready to come on board and start making some real residual money, please let me know. I will be more than happy to go in further detail with you about AdzZoo. I have nothing to hide. I am the only one with a picture here.

I’m interested in taking a closer look into Adzzo

Since the company is an Official Google AdWords Company, the requirement is at least $100k every 90 days( we spend way more than the requirements) , therefore using Spyfu is not an accurate way to determine the AdWords volume of AdzZoo. We are a private company so we do not release the actual volume that we spend. If we ever go public, those numbers will be released.

AdzZoo is mainly a PPC company that gives LOCAL clients the ability of being online without spending thousands a month for traditional SEO. As far as being ranked organically, I can tell you that one of my clients just recently came up organically after 1 1/2 months of being with AdzZoo. Others took a bit longer, but that was the fastest I have seen. Not to say that we don’t have nationwide clients, but the Local business owner is our main target.

AdzZoo shows results for our clients. I don’t know how you can call it a scam. To be honest with you, I think that traditional SEO is a scam. These companies charge small business owners thousands of dollars as a start up fee then charge them thousands a month to be optimized. All the while, they tell you that it will take months for you to be seen on Google’s first page and that is if they will ever get there.

So I ask you, would you rather pay hundreds for a proven ad campaign that is guaranteed in writing to work or would you rather pay thousands to someone that might get you on the 4th page of Google without any guarantee?

So where is the scam?

Boris’s claims (in quotation marks) – and my responses:

Customer: “http://sevenseasspaandsalon.adzzoo.com”

Monthly Spend: “$269″

Impressions: “* 74,363 Ad Impressions: Potential visitors have searched for information related to your business at least 74,363 times. As a result, your ad was displayed and viewed by potential customers 74,363 times.”

Problem with this is that on a $269 budget (less Boris’s commission, and Adzoo’s profit margin) There is no way that the ad was “displayed and viewed” by 74,363 potential customers. 1st of all, not every search is a unique customer, 2nd of all, the adwords budget is usually divided by 30 days, which means that even if you were spending the entirek $269 on the adwords campaign (which Adzoo is not, because they have to be making a profit, and have money to pay you Boris) – that would only be approximately $9 per day spend. There is no way this ad was displayed that many times in a month, on a $9 per day spend. Not possible. Most likely, a majority of this budget is set up to distribute on the content network, and Adzoo is bidding .25 per thousand impressions (CPM) – and these are garbage impressions/clicks. THIS STATEMENT IS TWISTING NUMBERS, TO SELL A CLIENT.

2nd claim: “* 637 Page Views: During this report period, 637 visitors reached your Web site. A page view occurs when someone is directed to your AdzZoo landing page.”

Again – do you expect me to believe that on $9 per day, the client average over 20 clicks per day? This would mean that you are achieving an average cost per click of only .45 cents! (and I am estimating high, because I am using the entire $269 you list, and not accounting for your commission, and adzoo’s profits. The real number is even more unbelievable.) In an area (Miami metro) where I would suspect that the “salon” business is very competitive. This is not very believable, and makes me think it is either just an outright lie, or that the clicks are coming from the content network. FYI – I can build a website, and place adsense on it, and be in your content network – before you are done reading this. The problem is, no one is coming to my website to read about SEM or SEO or anything else, and hoping to find an ad for a salon!!! These clicks suck.

3rd claim:

“* 3.2 Average Ad Position: Each time your ad appears as a search result, its average position was ad #3.2 on the first page of the search engine results.”

This may have been the case, for a few impressions, but there is no way that on $9 per day, in Miami, a client had 74,000 + impressions, 637 clicks, and averaged position 3.2…..just not possible. These numbers are skewed….

Adzoo is doing nothing more than conning you Boris, they have you believing all the propaganda they have fed you, they are NOT helping the small business owner, they are hurting them. They are providing reports that show the business owners the number they “need” to see, in order to justify spending money with you guys. The reality is, business owners don’t know where their clients come from, and if you have built a rapport with them, and then show them a report with the ridiculous numbers listed above, they will believe they are getting customers from Adzoo. This is preying upon the business owner’s ignorance about how adwords works. The only proper way to do adwords, and not rip off the customer is to link it with analytics, set up clear definded goals – see what the bounce rates are, the top exit pages etc, and track conversions (usually a form completion.) You can also dynamically insert phone #’s into the customers website – and track phone calls that come from paid traffic only. The analytics need to be reviewed once per month, and weaknesses need to be spotted, then changes made to the website, and the analytics compared the next month. This will tell you if your changes affected the bottom line positively, or negatively. Adzoo does not come close to providing a good service for these small business owners.

By the way – with simple analytics installed on a clients website – I could tell you how many “referrals” are coming from the Adzoo landing page.
Wouldn’t that be interesting?

FYI – I have a client who is using adzoo (he started it before working with me) – and I have analytics on his website – and 2 months into the campaign, not one visitor to his website came from the adzoo landing page.

In one of your post above, you claim that “I have sold many ads and my clients are very happy with the service.” I challenge you to give these “happy” clients my contact info, I will do analytics on their sites for 3 months for free – yes, you heard me – free, and let’s see how many of them renew. I will post all the clients info on my blog, with their results (actual analytics reports) showing the referral source for traffic to their real website. We will be able to tell EXACTLY how many visitors came to their website from the adzoo landing page. Let me know if you are interested.

I can be reached via my website http://www.proadinsight.com (in the middle of a rework), as my business goals have changed from being a “watchdog” over rip off companies, to providing adwords, analytics, and dynamically inserted phone #’s. Also, my service does not cost clients “thousands” of dollar a month, and they also, inevitably see results organically.

Boris, it is obvious to me, that you don’t know what you are talking about – I don’t hold that against you, but before you argue so passionately, please do some research. I don’t question your integrity now, but if you read this post, and do some research, and continue to sell this garbage, then you have no integrity, and you are nothing more than a two bit, used car salesman, that is ripping people off, but coming across like a savior. If you really care about your clients, you will run from adzoo – and find a reputable company to work for. If you want proof, take me up on my challenge and call your clients, give them my contact info via the website, have them email me, and I will install the analytics for free.

There are so many more things I would like to say to your other comments, but it is not worth my time, as I think this post pretty much says it all.

TO ANYONE CONSIDERING ADZOO – DON’T DO IT!!! You don’t have to do business with me (I only work with a limited number of clients – so I can’t handle to much business anyways) but if you contact me with questions about this company, or any other companies claims, I will place your topic on my blog, investigate the company, and respond with my opinion. – I really don’t want to see anyone else getting ripped off on the internet, because it can be a very powerful tool, and can make you money, if managed properly.

Chad Musgrove
Owner
ProAdInsight
http://www.proadinsight.com

Boris- You mean Google Qualified Adwords Company- and the requirement involves only spending $1000 per 90 day period-NOT $100K. see Google’s link

http://adwords.google.com/support/select/professionals/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=12241

Adzzoo is spending less than $2 per month on Google adwords according to spyfu.com
I used spyfu.com on other occasions and it worked well, maybe off only +/_ 30% maximum.

Adzzoo should divuldge their ad spending on Google to prove they are not a scam operation.
Showing a few good results out of 5000 clients is not helpful in this regard!

Stan, I can see where you are coming from, but if you do more research on how Google charges for PPC, you would understand that there are discounts that are given for the Quality of the site. The prices that the average person that wants to do a PPC campaign could not be the same as what AdzZoo is getting charges because of the quality score that we receive on our Webpages that we provide for the client. It is not the clients website that we are optimizing, it is a landing page that we optimize and link to their site.

The MLM model works great, but I am not out there trying to recruit everyone that I see on the street. AdzZoo is not built on only getting recruits. If that was the case, they would not make any money. AdzZoo makes money off ads. Period. My main goal is not recruiting, but selling ad campaigns to local clients of mine. Yes, I have recruited a few people, but that is only because they asked me if AdzZoo was hiring. I do make a small percentage of their sales, but that is the beauty of it. If Google thought that we were doing something wrong, they would have shut us down a while ago. Our founders have put a lot of money and effort to making sure that we are compliant and that this business model works. Nobody else is doing this out in the marketplace which is a good thing.

The people who have founded the company are multi millionaires that are worth no less than 100M dollars. Do you think that they would come out of retirement to start a company that won’t work or is bad for their reputation? I don’t think so. One of the founders is A.L. Williams who is the founder of Primerica. He sold his company for I believe 600M dollars.

There are other companies that do PPC for businesses and charge way more than we do and don’t get the results that we do. Yes, our clients start out at PPC campaigns, but we give so much relevent information to the people that search for them that we see our clients go on the organic side with a month or two. All depends how popular their site becomes and when you are on 1st Page of Google many times over, that means there is relevant information that we give our searchers.

People have asked how can you charge such a small amount of money for PPC and have so many hits. Well we also count the hits that are on the organic side of the page. I just received a report for a client of mine that generated almost 700 hits to his site and only pays $120 a month. Most of the hits were organic. This is the power of AdzZoo.

By the way, the company is only about 8 months old and we are coming out with other products and services that will only enhance our presence in the marketplace.

I want to make a correction on my last comment.

My information is that the AdzZoo primary founders are Hubert Humphrey, Bill Anderton and Bill Olive who were the top earners in A.L. Williams who is the founder of Primerica.

The founders of AdzZoo still keep a high reputation in the marketplace so I apologize for the confusion.

Briguy,
The only time I split commissions is when a new rep or Campaign Director joins AdzZoo and wants me to help them make the sale. I usually go out with them about 2 or3 times and then they are comfortable enough to go out and make the sales on their own. They would then get the 40% commission from the sale. I try to have the client pay for a 6 month or 12 month campaign since they get a discount. If you have any other questions or concerns, please let me know.

Looks like Time does tell all, but Time does not know everything. AdzZoo is not here to sell anything on the website. It gives information, clear and cut to the point, about what we do and the services we offer. The main objective is for the client to get with the Campaign Director that is offering the service in the market. AdzZoo does help the small to medium sized business owner that is looking to attract the local customers thru an online web presence. That is not to say that we won’t take on statewide or nationwide campaigns. I personally have 3 nationwide campaigns I am working on.

As far as recruiting, our focus is to train the people that are interested in AdzZoo to become better sales people. This is direct sales marketing type of business. We have very educated and talented sales people in the company that do not mind sharing their tips and experiences to make AdzZoo a company that anyone can join. If you are not into Direct Sales, then don’t join. We give the information on what the company is about, the services we offer and they make the decision. We do not force anyone to do anything.

The reason I liked AdzZoo over other companies is that there are no autoships that other companies make you buy to stay in the company. I don’t need any vitamins for $150 a month or any elixirs that don’t work. AdzZoo gives you the option of doing direct sales without being a recruiter. Their money comes from Ad Sales and not recruiting people.

This is not a get in early and try to survive company. Anyone can get in a anytime and start making money if you are willing to put in the time and effort just like any other job out there. It doesn’t look like AdzZoo is laying anybody off or firing anyone because they did not go out and make sales or buy their product. You can do this on a part time basis and make very good money. In fact, if you sold one $269 ad campaign a week, at the end of the year, you would be making roughly $48,000 a year. Try to find a job like that without a degree these days.

As far as finding local businesses to find local customers, well all businesses want that. Unless you have been hiding under a rock, go outside and look at how many businesses there are and ask them if they would like local customers coming to their door. I have sold campaigns to businesses out my state. It does not have to be local to you, only local to the business.

The costs for an Adzzoo ad campaign is far less than if you were to use an SEO company to optimize their website. We have landing pages that are custom and they look like a part of the clients website. I can see how you might not like the look of the template sites, but would you rather have a pretty site or a site that people can find easily thru the search engines? We don’t optimize the clients site because it would take a much longer time for them to be ranked by the search engines and the cost is not viable for a small business. We have the solution for them that nobody else has.

As far as the company’s that you have mentioned at the bottom of your comment, last time I heard, they were a billion dollar company. Makes me wonder if you have ever been in network marketing.

I hope this answers some of your questions and if not, I am here to help. Have a great day.

Go AdzZoo!!!!

Chad, you are so passionate with your facts that it appears to me that you are jealous of AdzZoo and afraid that they are going to take away your market.

Chad, I’m inclined to believe you, as I have now been advertising with AdzZoo for about 5 months. In all that time, I never once received ANY feedback on the results of the advertising. In other words, they sent me no summaries, not even the limitied information Boris mentioned, until I called the rep and demanded it.

And the results I have received so far? Remember this is the middle of March:

Results from mid-November to mid December, and the results from mid-December to mid-January. That’s it.

And what exactly is contained in the results report?

Just what you’ve shown…
Number of Ad Impressions
Number of Page Views
Average Ad Position

That’s all. And this information all pertains to the Landing Page, not to my actual website. There is no information whatsoever regarding click-throughs to my website. Nor what keywords have been added or removed nor when.

I’m dissatisfied with my rep. But guess what. There is no listed phone number for AdzZoo! I am in the metro Atlanta area, just like the AdzZoo office, but I can’t call them! I can’t discuss the results with anyone except my rep, with whom I’m dissatisfied. And the rep has no idea what they’re doing with regard to my site. I can send an e-mail through their website. Very user-unfriendly.

In the final analysis, the client (me) has no way of determining the effectiveness in hard numbers of their advertising with AdzZoo, using AdzZoo’s data alone. No click-through rates, no $ per click-through, no info as to whether the person clicking on the site called. And asking clients how they heard about me, sometimes they say from the internet, but they generally don’t store in their heads the exact path they followed to get to me, the keywords they used to search, whether they came to a landing page first or not.

Oh, one other thing. I insisted on paying by check. This just was not in their plans. I did not receive an e-mail informing me when the next check was due, so their advertising STOPPED after the first quarter!!! Nobody called me to say “Hey, we’d like to keep you as a customer”. NOTHING. So if I understand correctly, since my LANDING PAGE was down for the period until I sent the next check, my statistics all went back to zero as far as Google is concerned.

Yep, something stinks.

Tim,

Nothing you have said surprises me. This is almost a mirror image of what happened with a client of mine.

Thank you for leaving the feedback online for everyone else to learn from. If you are still paying them, and would like analytics installed on your website for free, let me know, and we can show the “effectiveness” of this advertising. I will post the reports online for everyone reading these blogs and checking out adzoo – maybe we can save a few other people from wasting their money.

Boris – What do you do for Adzoo? Do you work for them directly (empoloyee, not contractor)? Are you part owner? Or did you sign on for the MLM?

Chad

I am not an employee. Not an owner. Campaign Director. I would like to see the analytics also on Tim’s campaign.

Boris made this statement:

“Hello Tim, please send me either your phone number or email address and we will address this issue for you.”

Really Boris? You say “this” issue. I mentioned many issues. Which one are you offering to “address”? And saying “address” isn’t exactly the same as saying “make it right” now is it?

Let’s recap the issues, before you tell me which you intend to address.

1. No data regarding click-through rates to my site. Chad offered to install analytics on anyone’s site many times before I ever came here. If this is the issue you’re able to address, why haven’t you already done so for others?

2. No phone number to contact AdzZoo directly, no customer service line. Is this the issue you’re going to “address”? You have that kind of power in AdzZoo corporate, that you’re going to compel them to start a customer service telephone?

3. My dissatisfaction with my sales rep? You’re going to compel this person to behave like a businessperson? Or maybe find me someone else, who’s equally hamstrung as my rep.

4. AdzZoo has both my phone number and my e-mail address. They have never once asked my level of satisfaction.

5. Or perhaps you’re going to contact Google and get them to reinstate all of my statistics as of the end of the first three months, and treat it like my advertising never stopped when AdzZoo failed to inform me that another payment would be coming due.

You know what I didn’t see in your statement Boris? I didn’t see any contrition. I didn’t see where you were sorry that I had a bad experience with AdzZoo. I saw a salesman attempt to convince me the problems would be fixed, while actually saying nothing of the sort.

As the front man for my company, I’m in sales too, Boris. So is Chad. I offer a quality product, and yes I charge substantial amounts of money for it. I assume Chad does the same thing. I have concluded that AdzZoo does NOT offer a quality product. Since the only people I get to talk to at AdzZoo ARE salespeople, not techs, not the CEO, not Customer Service…I have also concluded that AdzZoo has no interest in doing what is necessary to keep my business. Still think you can change my mind, salesman?

Let’s keep the personal attacks and the name calling to a minimum guys.

Tim, I am not going to address any issues for you because you should do your own research. I really have no time to deal with you guys. You are making assumptions that aren’t even true. Do your research about the company and then get back to me.

I am happy to be with AdzZoo and do be honest with you, I really don’t care what you guys think. The company is doing what is says its doing and it is not costing the clients thousands of dollars to TRY to be on the first page of Google. I really think you guys are just ignorant to the fact AdzZoo has a service that others cannot compete.

This will be my last comment here because this is just getting nowhere. I have more important things to do than fight a never ending battle with you guys. Just get your facts straight, bottle washer. Peace….

Boris,

I do have my facts straight, and when we deal with just the facts, you don’t respond to them.

My facts show that Adzoo is indeed ripping people off, and they are not delivering the services you claim they are. Things just don’t add up. As for the custom websites…I put 3 links above showing this is also not true.

I am glad you are done posting on this blog, because the stuff you posted was not true.

And, you never took me up on my offer to do FREE analytics for 3 months on any of your clients websites…. Another sign of your own lack of confidence in your services.

I hope Adzzoo is out of business soon.

Chad

Competitors are always going tell tell you what’s wrong with the competition whether it’s someone within your industry or a parallel competing industry. There’s nothing new about that. I try to stay out of one-on-one squabbles like this one because nobody can “win” so longer as the debaters are taking terms defining what winning looks like and they are the self appointed judges of their own performance. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to click away from a rain wreck, so I have wasted productive time following this trail of frustration.

Where is the victory for either of these guys? One has an absolute passion but poor debating skills (Boris) so that he can’t possibly win. The other claims the technology to prove the other wrong but hasn’t taken the time to get his own web site working (Chad), which might be a greater priority, if he’such an expert in the SEO business, which he keeps reporting to be a new priority for him(not a strong debating point for him as an authority).

The only way to avoid the debate between SEM and SEO it to talk to a company that does both. There you will find that both strategies work, but at different costs and different time lines and with different kinds of results. You will find that you get what you pay for.

Small business owners are very capable of tracking their own results, if they take the time and they can always get tips on how to do thaqt from their rep, if they are worth their salt. To insist they cannot is a terrible insult. To say that they probably won’t is a sad truth that anyone in any marketing and advertising industry or company faces every day.

And nobody can speak about their competitor in the absence of facts. Unfortunately for the great debate, everyone’s facts will ultmately be claimed to be “proprietary” yet, each competitor will claim that there guess is better than the next guys. I’ve got to hand it to a Yodle rep that I recently met. I asked him to give me a nut shell answer of how Yodle is different from Reach Local. I respect his answer, “They are like Coke and we are like Pepsi.” We look alike, smell alike, costs are alike, but the taste is not quite the same because we follow a different recipe.” Give that guy a raise.

You can’t criticize the “beer budget” service provider for not providing “champaign” services. Most small businesses can only afford the beer budget program. In the case of this ongoing debate you can’t compare apples to oranges, yet the diatribe continues.

“Buyer Beware” applies to the high priced programs as well as the low priced. That is why it is critical for the business owner to measure results to determine the true ROI and to pre-define what defines a successful campaign. By definition, it is a return in revenue of $1 more than invested (how boring is that). Most small businesses look at any kind of advertising campaign with the hope of a slot machine pay out. With that attitude they suffer slot machine results, that is, seemingly random responses with random results. The only certainty is that the rep willl get blamed in the absence of statistics.

My suggestions for any potential clients are always the same: Keep commitments short so you can’t get hurt by not getting results (90 days at most); get an agreement in advance of what a successful campaign looks like (I suggest being reasonable over desperate); put into place a tracking program that will measure the effectiveness of the program; actually track the program. If it works as desired, stay with it. If it fails, move on to something else. Don’t let the rep convince you that the program failed because you did something wrong. Perhaps you did do something wrong, but you are not likely to change your ways and there are other strategies that will work for you just as you are.

Every businesses has successes and failures. I’ve got a disappointed client right now because I dropped the ball. I let him talk his way into a program that was underbudgeted. In retrospect, the odds of success were stacked against him. It was a matter of me wanting a sale so badly that I was willing to make one at too low a budget rather than walk away. Did I screw up? Yes. I failed to follow my own guidelines for success. Is my company bad because of my mistake? No. Does it have a black eye because of this? Unfortunately, Yes. Has the company made an effort to get things right with the client? Yes. Will everything be OK in the end? Only time will tell. Perhaps I’m the only person in advertising that has made a mistake. I’d like to hear I’m truly alone or just man enough to admit it.

Here’s a news segment from a CBS news affiliate. They don’t have an ax to grind, just a story to tell. I’d like to hear more stories from people without axes, because I’d like to learn more, but not about how to debate. I was the captain of my debate team and have had enough of that.

http://cbs4.com/video?id=88348@wfor.dayport.com

Ken, type-o’s asside – well said….except for the part about me claiming to be an SEO expert. I am definately not an SEO expert – and I don’t “debate” with Boris because he is competition.

The reason for my passion, is because I am tired of companies like adzoo taking advantage of the small business owner. Nothing more, nothing less. I tell my clients the truth when speaking with them. I never over promise and under deliver – I try to do the opposite. I also am very clear with my clients about my limitations.

As for my website not being optimized – it was – I just started over from scratch, because I am now learning to program in ASP.net – and what you see there now is my first attempt. There will be many changes to come…..

Have a good day,

Chad

I too can confirm Adzzoo is not a silver bullet in the SEO world. I have several clients that were paying the $270/month and claim they never received service in the form of reports, call backs, or click throughs. We’ve been updating their pages for organic growth because no one ever clicks on the ad words from what I can tell. Besides if you spent that kind of money with me, you and I would both be rich!

The truth is that some markets are terribly saturated and it’s impossible to be number 1 in less than 1 week, etc. I’ve been optimizing my site for Atlanta Computer Repair since December of 2009 and I’m still only on page 2. That’s not bad for 765,000 results though right? At this point there are very few tweaks I can do, and I’m mostly shooting for PR through reciprocal links, etc. That plus leaving the site optimized for those keywords for a long period of time are about the only things I can do to top this particular market. Douglasville Computer Repair was another story though. It’s a smaller market and I toped the rankings for that a long long time ago. There are only 16,400 results for those keywords.

The one thing Adzoo did for my clients was establishing them a local business listing with the search engines. You can do that for free! The local business listings are always above the organic listings. This is great if you offer your service in a small town where everyone needs your service. It’s not so good in a market like Atlanta because they cycle through the listings to give local companies fair share (or do they… i stay at the top for douglasville).

Regardless adzzoo isnt worth the money, and that’s my complaint.

I have been getting hasseled by an Adzzoo Rep here in my home town. I have been requesting more solid information from this rep, and all I have been getting is the run around. From the sounds of things, “Chad” seems to know what he is talking about. I am a small business owner, and would like some more solid advertising, but I am not willing to just throw money at an advertising firm and hope for the best. I would however like to talk to someone who is “Real”. If any of the above respondents can or will help, please do.

Sorry for the typos. not much sleep, April 15 coming fast!

Rick –

This is my real name. Sorry my contact form was not working on my website.
I have been “re-working” it.
The contact Form is now working – please email me through my website (trying to avoid the spam if i post my email address here)

I am not a “high pressure” sales guy – so if you contact me – we can just “talk” and if after talking, you want my help on the web – Great !!

http://www.proadinsight.com

Look forward to hearing from you.

Chad

I live in Orange County, California, and I think an AdzZoo rep is trying to recruit me.

My fiance’ forwarded me a link to a Craigslist ad seeking out “a few good men or women:”

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mar/1742088244.html

The ad is written by a man claiming to be a “retired millionaire looking to transfer skills.” Intrigued, I’ve been exchanging emails with the ad’s author, Mr Michael Johnson, for a few days now, and today I spoke with him over the phone. So far, I’ve learned that he is a fast talker who claims to be a very rich 65 year-old, former Green Beret, and uber-go-getter. Most of what he has to say seems legit, but the details are still pretty vague. It also bothers me that even though he’s forwarded me all kinds of information about AdzZoo, he’s never actually claimed to work for or with them.

I can’t help but be skeptical as it all seems too good to be true. Not long ago I interviewed for and declined a position with SoCalGroup, a third-party advertiser in Orange, California that seemed very similar to a pyramid scheme. The day-long shadow interview I did with a SoCal rep consisted of nothing more than door-to-door-to-random-door business sales where the rep tried to sucker business owners into extending their phone contracts with AT&T. It was a sad thing to watch.

After much online homework and a lot of sifting through online AdzZoo advertising, I finally found this thread. Thank you, Chad, for providing so much information and such a strong argument.

In the next few days I might be having lunch with Mr Johnson. If it turns out to be a legitimate offer, it’d be a nice surprise, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

It’s a pyramid scheme.

LOL, I misspelled the word “Naive” in above statement haha anyway, hope you get the point.

“I love it when “NAIVE” people call MLM mulit-level-marketing companies “pyramid schemes” !

HELLO! Did you know in your 9-5 work life you work in a pyramid model as well ! ))

Uncle SAM->Founder/CEO->Boss/Managers->Employees “

This was interesting. I would like to see Boris take Chad up on his offer, and see the results. But that isn’t what Adzoo is really about.

The real way to make money in any mlm-like adzoo is to recruit. In this case the business owner themselves to the company. This way they refer others, stay on the program, make a little money for themselves, and the commissions keep rolling in. I signed up, but haven’t recruited or sold anyone. I was just looking for more info because I still have a funny feeling about it. Paying out up to 70% commissions thru all levels doesn’t leave much for the marketing budget and hardly seems sustainable long term.

If it helps people great. I have also been a business owner for 15 yrs and had people try to sell us daily so I know what that is like too.

Thank you for the compliment Jack. I genuinely hope that I can keep one more person from selling this, and keep business owners from buying it.
I just learned something that I wanted to share with everyone.

ADZZOO DOES PUT ANALYTICS ON THEIR landing pages they build for their clients. This begs the question, why are they not sharing the data with their clients? Why would they only show “impressions, clicks, and average ad position” when they could show Bounce rate, referral source, pageviews, conversions, etc?

I suspect the reason is because the bounce rate is probably thru the roof. Clicks that come from the content network tend to be very, very low converting clicks.

Also, wanted to post more examples of AdzZoos “highly optimized websites” (their words, not mine.)

http://adzzoo.com/new/listing-maidsandmore-21.html
http://adzzoo.com/new/listing-roofingandgutters-282.html

Notice the similarites? Everyone one of their landing pages look like this. Judge for yourself if these are “highly optimized websites.”

I am posting more valuable information about AdzZoos scam on my blog @ http://www.websitemarketingtruth.com – Please feel free to read that post, and comment.

Thank you to all, and thank you for this forum. I believe it has been helpful for many people.

Chad Musgrove.

I am well aware that “how pretty” a website looks does not make it optimized. I did look at the code, and using an H1 tag on the clients name is not “optimizing” the site / page, it is stupid. Simply placing the clients name at the end of the Title tag or anywhere in the regular text will get it to show up for that “keyword.” Using an H2 tag on the phrase “Free Estimates and Outstanding customer service” is not optimizing your page for anything related to the business. An “H3” tag for the address? Do I need to say anything to this? How is the client benefiting by AdzZoo placing their own name in the CUSTOMERS “Title” tag? This practice is using up valuable characters in the Title tag since it is not recommended you exceed 65 characters. How is the client benefiting by AdzZoo placing links to their own sitemap in the bottom of the CUSTOMERS “optimized webpage?”

I do see that AdzZoo was nice enough to place keywords related to the CUSTOMERS business in the meta name and meta description. Too bad for the customers that meta name and meta description are mostly overlooked by the MAJOR SEARCH ENGINES!

There are several other reasons that I would not consider these sites to be “highly optimized”
1) They are all subpages of the main domain http://www.adzzoo.com – This means that the odds of these pages getting individually indexed on Google are slim to none. When the parent domain has thousands and thousands of pages, Google is not going to treat all the PAGES like they would if these were separate websites.
2) None of these sites have any Page Rank. While I realize Page Rank is not the be all end all, to have zero page rank, and not be indexed on Google means that your “website” is not “highly optimized”
3) These are all templates – The name, address, and phone #’s are changed, sometimes the color is changed, and then there are individual keywords and content placed in the site. While there is nothing wrong with using templates if the customer likes the template, there is something wrong with AdzZoo stating you are getting a “highly optimized” webpage, when the reality is you are getting a sort of optimized page in Adzoo’s website. I doubt they make this clear to the clients that are paying them to build a website/webpage.
4) AdzZoo own website states “We provide a web presence on the first page of Google and other search engines.” I have NEVER seen (and doubt I ever will see) any of these pages show up on the 1st page of Google (except for the very limited PPC ads that show up occasionally.) As a matter of fact, I have never seen any of these pages on any page of Google. AdzZoo makes it sound like you will show up organically on the 1st page of Google.

While I respect your opinion, I very much disagree with you that these pages are highly optimized. I will leave it to the readers to decide for themselves if they believe AdzZoo’s claims that these pages are optimized. The readers of this forum can decide for themselves if they agree with you that these pages are optimized because they have all the codes.

Respectfully,
Chad D. Musgrove
Owner
Pro AD Insight

FYI – I am not sure why you are so focused on one of my lesser points about why AdzZoo is a scam and a waste of money, but the so called SEO work they claim to do is not the main point. They are a very misleading and deceptive company that only shows clients the numbers that justify those clients continuing to spend money with them. In my opinion, they lie by deception as bad as any scam artist out there.

Greetings Gentlemen!

The game is afoot. Yes, I track Adzzoo too, but not out of fear.

1. A simple search with Raven SEO tools or SEMRush will show 1000′s of pages indexed becasue Google considers Adzzoo to be a paid directory in it’s weighting. Of those thousands, many hundreds are indexed on page 1 and 2. I’m not making this up. Use those tools and put in AdzZoo and you will see for yourself.

2. As for the H1 tags. You are correct. The business name in an H1 is no good unless the business name contains a major keyword. On the site you reference that is true. But on every AdzZoo site I ever pulled up (including their custom designs) it is not the case. Look at a more recent ad than your examples.

http://adzzoo.com/new/listing-center-park-plaza-storage-self-storage-facility-moving-supplies-boxes-6235.html

3. As for the meta tags. Google is the only engine that ignore they keyword tag… and not even entirely. The description tag is very important to Google still and for practical use for organic searches. You have to know that.

4. As for pulling them up organically, you also know the games you can play by showing people great organic listings and showing people that someone isn’t “Listed”. Use the tools and you will them listed under plenty of relevant terms.

5. And again, Page Rank is relatively useless. Redneckmeet.com has a Page Rank of 0 and ranks number one under ‘Redneck personals’ and number two under ‘Redneck Dating’. To say a Page Rank of 0 means you are not indexed is 100% inaccurate! The term ‘Redneck Personals’ has over 2.3 million listings.

6. And no… they’re not all templates:
http://adzzoo.com/custom/daralimaanhajnumra/haj-umra-tours-muslim-holy-land-pilgrimage-packages.html

You are reacting as if you fear AdzZoo. Your examples are outdated and inaccurate. You do not know the company you attack. I am a part of the SEM community that embraces competitors as brethren. If they were evil, I would not. But at the next conference, I will buy any of them a beer if they are reading this!

Marshall W.

The silence from Marshall is deafening. Who thinks we will get a load of businessess who say Adzzoo got them lots of business? Who thinks Adzzoo will accept Chad’s challange on the analytical? I am guessing slim to none on both.

Marshall,

I have stated to you both here, and on my blog that my goal is to keep new people from falling for the AdzZoo MLM hype, and avoid selling it. Another goal of mine is to see AdzZoo out of business. I also stated that I am not afraid of AdzZoo as it is very easy for me to convince small business owners to divert the money they are spending with AdzZoo to spending it with me. Most of my clients usually end up spending less money, and get a real value out of my services. I don’t understand why you seem to think I “track AdzZoo out of fear.”

You seem to be hand picking issues to address, and avoiding other issues. You completely avoided my comments about the subpages, the fact that all the samples I gave you are different versions of the same template, and the fact that AdzZoo claims to “provide a web presence on the 1st page of Google and other search engines.” Granted you provided me with one example of a custom site built by AdzZoo, but I literally have a list of approximately 300 AdzZoo sites that all look the same.

AdzZoo may get some customers on the 1st page of Google and other Search Engines, but you know as well as I do, that no one can promise this universally. If they are referring to pay per click, and they mean they get a client on the 1st page of Google and other search engines via a paid advertisement, a few times per month (the most possible with the minimal money left for ads after commissions are paid), then they are grossly overstating their accomplishments, and this is misleading. I have stated that one of my biggest problems is the way they overpromise and under deliver.

I think you misunderstood my comment about page rank. I did not say page rank of zero means that you are not indexed. I said a page rank of zero AND not being indexed means that your site is not highly optimized.
Just to clarify – I HAVE NO FEAR OF ADZZOO. They cannot take any of my clients. It is not possible. My examples are not outdated as they are still live webpage’s that AdzZoo has on the web.

Finally, you completed avoided my last statement, in my last post about why I think AdzZoo is a scam. I will repeat it as I think it is important. They are a very misleading and deceptive company that only shows clients the numbers that justify those clients continuing to spend money with them. In my opinion, they lie by deception as bad as any scam artist out there.

I do think you sound like you know a bit about the web, and I am sure you probably do your clients a service. I just don’t know why with the knowledge you have, you would defend them, and attack me. I have solid examples, solid numbers, and can defend my claims, and AdzZoo, nor its reps can do that.

If you want to buy AdzZoo executives, MLM reps, sales reps or anyone else associated with AdzZoo a beer, go ahead. I personally wouldn’t sit at the same table with them, because what they are doing to the small business owner disgusts me.

Respectfully disagreeing,

Chad D. Musgrove
Owner
Pro AD Insight

@ JP – Thank you for your support.

My offer still stands. I will do analytics for any of AdzZoo’s clients for Free for 3 months (more than enough time to proof if it works or not). I will place the analytics on the clients real website, and we can track exactly how many of the visits to adzoo’s landing page lead to a visit to the actual website. Or better yet, if any of AdzZoo’s clients can get permission to have the analytics code placed on the landing page, we can see the bounce rate and referral source of the visits to the landing page. I will post the entire reports on this blog (and my blog as well) for all to see.

How do you tell when Adzzoo is lying and shoveling the BS?

1. when their mouths are moving.

2. When they are posting on the internet

3. All of the above.

CORRECT ANSWER IS 3!!!

Will u guys just shut up and make money. Who cares about Adzzoo!

JP & Cee,

I am not AdzZoo, therefore, I cannot provide anything. I can only do the same kind of research that Chad purports to do. Do your owne research… look up Adzzoo, scan their site and find a client list. Do some research and don’t judge a company by it’s early days.

My competitor research is more recent and I do not resort to bad mouthing ANYONE’S system or talents to make my money. I do what Cee says… just make money! I want to know what competitors are up to, but it doesn’t change what I do unless I see them doing something better. I have faith in my services.

And what does Adzzoo do with such small budgets? Good question. It’s not magic and not even miracle work. What is it…. they give small businesses a web presence for less than I charge for set up fees. I congratulate them for that! Do I fear them? No. I even point clients their way if they cannot afford to use me. It’s McDonald’s… and plenty of people eat at McDonald’s.

I emailed Chad directly to have him offer up proof of his claims and I have heard nothing. everything I claimed or rebutted I did with proof.

Marshall W.

Cee – what makes you think we are not making money? So you don’t post in your leisure? That does not preclude one from making money.

And also – if you go down the wrong path, are misled by an alleged pig in a poke then you lose lots of time and money.

Due diligence and careful analysis of an “opportunity” in no way means you are not making money. Quite the opposite in fact.

JP,

Only a fool believes the Internet is an ATM that will make you tons of money. In business school, I learned that a $500 venture that makes $600 is a winning venture. Too many people believe if they invest $500, they should instantly make $5000. They don’t expect that from any other media.

I did some looking and Adzzoo just had a national convention that featured many clients making money. You could have contacted them from the start. So are businesses getting customers… yes, how many, I do not know. But I know that if done right, their investment pays off.

So does it work? You should know the answer. Does SEM, done right, work? Most of the time it does. What their track record is I don’t know. How do you measure success? that’s the question. It’s obvious JP that you have no idea how to truly measure the effectiveness of a branding campaign (Internet presence) – Internet or not. I would gamble away my MBA on that! How do you measure success besides just saying “Ton of new business”?

**Cee**
No disrespect intended. I didn’t mean to imply that you weren’t making money. Just saying I am making money and don’t fear competition from AdzZoo, the Yellow Pages or Reach Local. I just familiarize myself with them. That’s how I make money. Give people informed options. Not everyone is my customer. Not everyone is Adzzoo’s customer. If a client wanted pur PPC or an instant return, i would not recommend Adzzoo. I would keep them myself. Two different products.

Marshall W.

Chad,

I have responded on your Blog. Sorry, I was expecting an email or a notification that a comment was responded to. My mistake.

Marshall W.

Marshall – how funny is it that you say I don’t know how to measure success and thena few sentences later say YOU don’t now how to measure success? roflmao that is hysterically funny.

Umm – you ought to get your money back for your, “MBA” if you don’t know how to measure success. It’s measured by return-on-investment – figures Adzzoo is not willing to give. Btw – MBA is not all that special. Loads of people have them – myself included so dont’ think that makes you all that much better. AT least I know how to tell a dog of an opportunity when I see when. Also – having an MBA does not mean you have any common sense or somehow are better at business than others. It’s just a piece of paper is all.

“tons of new business”, Marshal is what Adzzo allegedly implies – not me. I was simply summarize they way I feel Adzzoo portrays it – 1st page rankings for little money. What do YOU think that implies? Something else? Please tell me.

Roflmao Marhall!! You’re so wacky – you don’t even know how goofy you are. You spend the entire debate with Chad debating that Adzzoo works and then in the end – said you were clueless and had no idea. Hysterically funny. You self-immolated like some wacko nut-job!! Thanks for the laughs!!
You have zero credibility here.

JP,

How would anyone who isn’t with AdzZoo know their track record? Especially you who isn’t even capable of seeing AdzZoo has 100s of pages listed on Page 1 and 2 organically. But that’s not their product. They do not sell SEO. They sell online branding with PPC, Facebook and directories is. You and no one outside knows their track record. You are a joke and don’t even know what AdzZoo’s program is… yet you criticize it… and you criticism wasn’t even accurate!

As well, both you and Chad don’t know enough about Adzzoo to know that the page examples you both quote are from templates they don’t even use anymore and haven’t for almost a year!

There are many who get business by slamming competitors. That is not me. I can sell my services without slamming AdzZoo.

By the way Chad – I never said anythng about the templates – one more thing you are wrong aboyut again. Also – looks like YOU must have just found out about that or you would have mentioned it the first tiem it came up.

By the way – they DO sell seo as they tell the customers they will be on the first page. But according to Chad – it’s all a pig in a poke or red herring.

You are a joke Marshall. We have asked repeatedly for proof that Adzzoo works – and have gotten . . .

nothing . . .

No customers saying it works, no acceptance of allowing Chad to run the analytics. Game, set, match – game over!!!

Lol – if I am not a believer that means I am a hater? Wow – that is totally silly. Since when is disagreeing with something being a “hater”. That statement is the first refuge of a scoundrel. I guess by your very own defintion YOU are a “hater” as YOU disagree with Chad and myself. How hilarious is that? The fact that you would even make such a statement shows you to be a total jackass and only embarrasses you.

Call it what you want but what Adzzoo clearly is promoting and selling is that with page 1 listings LOTS OF SALES WILL BE GOTTEN.

Just stop and don’t come back unless you give us compananies – and many companies mind you – who will say it has gotten them business. There are 6,000 customers of Adzzoo so there should be at least 3,000 or so who can vouch for it.

Chad knows about the analytics and that they can be run. IF those those you mention are required – then Adzzoo or their clients can just give what is required and then there would be proof. SO FAR NO PROOF NO EXAMPLES OF CUSTOMER TESTIMONIALS AND NO TAKERS ON THE ANALYTICS so what do you suppose that means Marshal? Are you sooo freaking brain-dead you can’t figure it out? PT Barnum did say, “there’s a sucker born every minute” and you are perfect proof of that!!

Now just go away unless you come back with solid proof ok? Do you get it?” PROOF IS lots of customers saying it works for them – or customers willing to do the analytics OK GOT IT? I DON’T WANT TO HEAR anything else out of you except that cause everything else is bs and bs walks – PROOF TALKS!!! SO FAR no proof from you just a load of BS!!! HATER!!!

Well Dan – acccording to the loopy Marshall’s reasoning – if you disagree with Adzzoo – it means you are a “hater”. lol!!

Jon – thanks for the great info and insights. SO you’re saying it’s a pig in a poke? That SEM Rush is bogus info? Misrepresenting the first page rankings? Showing Adzzoo with first page rankings when this is not true? Sounds like SEM Rush is pretty worthless?

However, now you are a “hater” as according to Marshall anyone opposed to Adzzoo – anyone not singing it’s praises – is a
“HATER”.

Hey Marshall – you just done bragging how brilliant you were and defending he Adzzoo model – sayng they got first page rankings. NOW what do you say? YOU LOOK VERY VERY STUPID NOW MARSHALL. YOU cited the SEM Rush data and it turns out IT’S BOGUS!! YO ARE A BIGGER FOOL than I thought!! hilarious.

OMg that is HUGE revelation. Holy Moly and Marshall was using that as PROOF of what a good deal Adzzoo was. Omg – real scandal there. I guess the SEM Rush findings on Adzzoo are as bogus as everything involved with Adzzoo allegedly is.

Hmm — I wonder if Marshal will come back and persist with his now totally disproven bs bull line of crap. Hmm – if so he will just dig himself in further and look more stupid and like more of an alleged shyster than he already does.

Why was International Marketing Director David Spezza terminated
Dear George,

I am still shaking from the letter I received from AdzZoo on Monday. If you are still active in AdzZoo you can choose to move ahead blindly or read this and see what AdzZoo did to me. I will be happy to provide documentation for everything I say and speak to anyone concerning any questions they have. This is the truth!!

I wanted to thank everyone who worked hard and built AdzZoo with me.

Here is my situation and what happened to me.

In May of 2009 Bill Olive approached me to build AdzZoo with him. I had known Bill Olive for 18 years and trusted him. When Bill approached me my commercial real estate business had crashed due to the economy and I was look for a way to work myself out of a financial disaster. I was looking for a way to get back on my feet and take care of my family.

Bill Olive promised me a spot in the binary and promised to put specific people on the right side of my binary. He also told me that his main focus was to build that right side and I would never have to worry about it. Relying on Bill Olive’s promise I went and build my left side. Bill never came through with his promise on the right side and it cost me $30,000 during the time AdzZoo had a binary.

However, I moved on and continued working hard.

From June 2009 to June 2010 I put in over 40 hours a week into building AdzZoo. I gave every ounce of energy to helping AdzZoo grow and building AdzZoo.
- I opened AND Funded all expenses (except for $1000) for 2 AdzZoo Base Shops
- I served on the Top 25 Committee in AdzZoo
- I brought and organized 2 National Conventions in Tampa
- I organized consistent weekly business presentations every week
- I organized weekly training sessions at the base shop offices
- I invited not only my group but ANYONE in AdzZoo to attend the training and business opportunities
- I was in the process of created a great AdzZoo recruiting website and Group Facebook portal for the team.
- I provided updates and communication for the entire group

I reached the level of IMD (the company promoted me 2 weeks earlier) and I made the requirements based on the production of my team. This was not a false promotion. This is not the case with all promotions and many of these false promotions corrupt the compensation plan and take away from upline commissions.

I attended the Launch in March 2010. They announced the new comp plan. This change brought my $100-$350 income in the Binary to about $1,000 per week under the new compensation plan. My team had recruited over 600 people and had been writing business for a year. The IMD pool paid me about $25 per week. That’s it. Less than 30 days after the launch AdzZoo took away the generational Fast Start Bonuses. They said it was a promotion but it wasn’t. This change reduced my income by an average of about $200 per week.

After working extremely hard more than 40 hours per week and setting up 2 base shops and doing all of the above things, I took a hard look at my AdzZoo business. I listened to the AdzZoo leaders, their promises, and the direction of the company.

To be honest, I had concerns. I sat down with Bill Olive (AdzZoo Founder) in June 2010) and we discussed my concerns with AdzZoo. My income was only about $1000 per week after a year of hardcore effort. The majority of my income did NOT come from residuals but came from new sales.

I was concerned about AdzZoo’s management, AdzZoo’s product and the networkability of AdzZoo. I reviewed the Leaderboard and volumes were dropping. I looked at my group and 12 week volumes were going down. I talked to other IMD’s and there were severe product support problems happening company wide. Also, the company was only bringing on 40-75 new recruits weekly for the entire company. Networking companies can’t survive on those numbers. And during this time they were giving away stock just for sponsoring someone or attending the National Convention.

The dream of network marketing is to work hard so you can step back and have time freedom and enjoy the residuals. I decided in June to take a step back, enjoy what I built and take some time to see if AdzZoo was going to get their act together. I knew I was going to be out of the country in July and that I had to attend to my real estate business and a start up company I created called Interactive Adventures (not MLM).

However, my sense of responsibility is to support my team. I sat down with Bill Olive (AdzZoo Founder) and one of my top Senior Directors. I worked out a deal to provide additional support to my team. I would provide, maintain and pay for a base shop for the team and this SD would organize functions, training, etc to help everyone succeed, I would pay for an AdzZoo recruiting website to be built to continue to build the team, and the SD would help anyone on the team that needed support. We sat down with Bill Olive and went over the agreement. Everything was upfront. No secrets on my end. I was not selling or transferring any interest in my entity. However, I was going to pay this SD for his additional support of the team. I even paid for a ticket for this SD to attend the National Convention. I will be happy to provide a copy of this agreement to anyone who wants to see. I have no secret agendas and am not hiding anything.

I worked hard and was finally starting to work mysef out of the financial hole the economy put me in. I could finally start doing things and providing for my family again.

On August 9th I received a letter of termination from AdzZoo. I tried to call everyone I know to get an explanation. I was shocked!!! This was devastating to me. However, no one would take my call. To make it worse they even sent emails and texts to my friends and people on my team telling people not to talk to me.

I am still shaking that AdzZoo did this to me after all I have done in support of the company. I had just sponsored a new person the week before and was sponsoring another that week.

Finally, I talked to Nathan Pragar (AdzZoo CFO). The termination letter they sent me said they were terminating me for the very agreement I sat down and discussed with Bill Olive (AdzZoo Founder) previously. They did not call or contact me in any way to discuss. After a year of promoting AdzZoo, building AdzZoo and giving my heart and soul to AdzZoo, you would think that would be the case. All they had to do was call and say we do not like this agreement and the SD and I would have voided it immediately.

However, that was not their agenda. They intended to take the income I built. I got out of Nathan that he said I joined another MLM and was recruiting AdzZoo Members.

I DID NOT JOIN ANOTHER MLM. I DID NOT CONTACT ANYONE ABOUT JOINING ANOTHER MLM.

This was their real fear and so they terminated me and stole my check that my family was counting on. They have told me since I spoke to Nathan Prager that they are not reversing their decision and I would have to take legal action to pursue.

The reality is that I took a step back to evaluate AdzZoo after a year. There are problems with the product, the management and more. I know the problems that exist in AdzZoo after living it a year. I did not share all of those problems here. I just shared my situaton.

I wish you all the best of luck. If you want more details or to talk, feel free to call me and I will be happy to answer any questions. The best way to contact me is via email at AdzZoo@aol.com or my cell at 727-656-9867.

There is other information on the internet about the owners such as Internet site referencing AdzZoo owners and officers I am only making you aware of this site and not endorsing or confirming it. I simply found it on the internet the other day.

This termination has turned my life upside down and once again I am starting over. I will work hard again to support my family.

Good Health and Happiness

David Spezza
AdzZoo

Ha – what do you have to say NOW Marshall? I hope you won’t persist and will know enough to not show your face here again. You have been totally discredited now – based on what has been posted here.

Good thing NOBODY LISTENED to your lousy advice!

Oh – hard to believe someoen with a scary ass MBA like you could be such a bad businessman and give such totally 100 percent wrong and bad advice.

Like I said – MBA doesn’t mean squat and you just proved that Marshall!!

I don’t thnk will be seeing Marshall around here again. Best that he just slinks off into the darkeness with his tail between his legs.

roflmao either you are highly unintelligent or just doing a schtick and pullling our leg Marsahal?

omg how can you say you proved anything? Just the opposite – you said Adzooo was valid and here is what we got:

no testimonials from customers

no willingness to let chad do testimonials.

your theory of high adzzo ranking proved bogus

letter from top guy that Adzzoo alledgedly fired him so they could get his revenues.

So you call this proof?

OMg do you even know how stupid you sound? Omg you are the laughing stock we are laughing at you not with you.

Only a fool would not understand you have been disgraced – the other posters here have wiped the floor with you. ONly a fool would persist.

Sky, you are absolutely correct about what I said about the founders. Not that I was mislead by someone else, but it was just a misunderstanding.

Boris, you seem like a nice-enough guy who is looking to do something legal that will make money for you and your family. I also understand how intoxicating it is to be part of a team whose goals are the same as yours. Last but not least, I can also understand that you feel you are helping people (within the limitations of your knowledge and competencies, of course).

I’m not going to throw boulders at you like some people here, but I will say this to you as a person who has built two successful e-service companies WITHOUT any network marketing programs. Ready for it?

Do what you do at AdzZoo solely for the money. Don’t cover it up in the “I’m helping people” lie. Few companies actually “help” people. A cell phone may save my life if I’m in a car wreck in the deep woods of Utah, and cell phone companies can claim that they manufacture “life-saving” devices. Truth is, cell phones are expensive, cancer-causing distractions that force me to spend more money on phone upgrades than I need to just to stay fashionable. I still own one even after knowing the truth.

You sell PPC. However you do it is up to you. There are a two-dozen ways to cook an egg, and nobody in this thread is qualified to tell you how to cook yours. Even so, it is pretty obvious that, based on the history of AdzZoo’s founders, they’ll just churn you and your downline into another enterprise down the road so that THEY make another barrel of “entry fee” income from your fresh payment of $260, $320, $460 (whatever) dollars to “join” another “opportunity”. That’s how it works in their world. They are constantly thinking of new ways to get you to spend more money on the next shiny thing.

Yes, I understand that it gets boring doing just one thing for a lifetime. An entrepreneur is an entrepreneur. S/he will certainly try new things and bring other people along. At the same time, you shouldn’t get people involved in something, either as clients are recruits, only to abandon them because the grass appears greener on the other side. Now, I don’t think you’ve done this (yet), but I know your “founders” have, and it isn’t ethical.

I’ve known (or known of) AdzZoo founders since their early days. I know Hubert and his son, Jody. I know Bill and Scott Anderton and about the havoc they left behind in Memphis. I’ve met Olive. I know Kalpak and his wife Dee, daughter Pitter (Dawn) and son Shiek (Ron). I even know Art Williams and his wife Angela, their daughter April and her husband Mark….personally. I’ve been to Art’s house (Little River) in Social Circle, GA, lunched with April and Mark on several occasions, and so on.

All I’m saying is that you can’t let AdzZoo folks make you feel “stupid” for wanting to do your due-diligence. You can’t let your upline make you feel as if you have a big red “A” or big yellow “Star of David” sewn to your jacket just because you need validation….and believe me, they WILL do that.

But, as I said….treat AdzZoo as a way to legally earn some money in a hot market. Cut the “emotional” ties and heartfelt rah rah. The greatest trick that your founders and upline have played on you is to have you believe that they care about the people getting involved as much as they would have you believe. They don’t….NOR SHOULD THEY. Their “fault” is that they lead you to believe that they care. The truth is more mundane. They want you to make money so that they can make money. Period.

The problem with network marketing companies is that people, as individuals, are not an asset. Base-shops are assets. The “network” is the only asset. A “person” has no worth, and yet, the entire premise behind “recruiting” is to make the individual believe that s/he is someone special. Ethics, Boris. It’s not about the product. It’s about Ethics.

But, once again, business is rarely ethical by its inherent nature. For every ethical thing that a company does, whistle-blowers can find a dozen unethical things it does.

Does AdzZoo screw people? Probably not. Is there a better way to deliver on its core services? Absolutely. Are the founders of AdzZoo evil? Not likely. Are they Ethical? Probably not as much as some of AdzZoo’s recruits would have hoped.

So, the only question that you need to answer at the end of they day is this: DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING RELATED TO ADZZOO, ITS FOUNDERS, OR ITS PRODUCTS?

If the answer is “NO”, then move on from this thread and quit defending the indefensible. If the answer is “YES”, then move on from AdzZoo, take what you’ve learned, and do something else.

I would personally prefer that your answer be, “I’ll get back to you after I learn more.” Having looming doubts will kill your business in the long-run. Oh…and don’t be afraid to inquire about AdzZoo founders. They’ve been through this a hundred times. They’ve been scrutinized and dragged through the mud over an over again. (Perhaps this is why they keep “reinventing” themselves.) In other words, nothing I’ve said is new. They’ve heard it for twenty or thirty years, each.

I know that whatever you decide to do, Boris, you will do well in it. You have “star quality”, but even stars can fall and burn-out spectacularly as the hit the ground hard. Quit “chasing the dream”. That phrase alone is a dichotomy. A dream is NEVER real. Instead, chase the MONEY. I don’t mean that you need to get greedy or unethical. Money pays bills. Money buys vacations. Money helps family and friends who are in need. Screw the “dream”. Do what’s legal and BE AN ETHICAL PERSON no matter how unethical your company or its leaders. You can control you…not them.

And always remember what Art Williams said….

“ALL YOU CAN DO IS ALL YOU CAN DO, BUT ALL YOU CAN DO IS ENOUGH.”

–Sky–

Sky, thanks for your input. I got in with AdzZoo a few months after they opened up. I am not a SEO guru or do I claim to be, but the message that they gave me and the guarantees that were given to customers was very attractive. That is why I had joined. If there was no guarantee in place to give their clients their money back if it did not work, I would have never signed up with them. I can honestly say that I have customers that have been with me for many months and they are seeing more and more clients from the help of AdzZoo. Others have dropped out because they either did not get the results they want or some other reason. SEO is not an easy sale and I have never sold it before until AdzZoo came in the picture. I kind of put AdzZoo on the back burner right now but am still getting residual income from it. I went back to my roots in finance because the income from AdzZoo was not generating enough income to support my family at this time.

I see many people get excited about getting started and then lose interest very easily when getting clients seem very hard. In any business, this would be the case but if you stick it out and believe in the company you are with, it will make you money in the end. You really need to believe in what you are selling to be good at it. I can say that I am not 100% with AdzZoo, but if someone asks me how to get online and be seen there, I give them the AdzZoo option.

They just came out with a new product of text marketing. This has been around for some time. Their cost seems a bit high, but I have not gone through the entire marketing program for it. If anyone is interested, I will do some research and see exactly how they make it work….or not.

@Boris

The hardest thing about making money in network marketing is getting other people excited. When they can’t get excited (or get knocked down by a naysayer), it makes you less excited. It’s a vicious circle of up-and-down emotions. Yet, SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES DON’T RUN THAT WAY.

A business is not an adult daycare center where you should have to constantly “pick people up” because they are “feeling low”; yet, this is EXACTLY how many network marketing businesses and base-shops operate. Providing encouragement in REAL BUSINESS ENVIRONMENTS means helping your troops to understand and believe that their working environment is stable and secure so that they’ll do what they are getting paid to do. Stroking people and telling them that “everything is going to be alright….you’re a winner….don’t worry ~ you’ll find a client….etc.” is ridiculous.

You said “SEO is not an easy sale”. Not true. Keep in mind that you are selling “SEO wrapped in a non-traditional business model”. THAT is not an easy sale. Selling SEO is like selling Honda automobiles. Yes, it takes effort, but more and more people are realizing they need it. AdzZoo literally DILUTES the purpose of true SEO deployment and “fuzzies” it up with “income opportunities”. You’ll lose 40% to 60% of your real SEO clients off the bat if they smell “recruitment” in the air. For most people, this is not their first time around the block. They’ve been “recruited” before, and they have a bad taste in their mouth about it. If SEO and PPC are such good services in-and-of themselves, then anything else you only dilutes the product’s worth.

It’s like saying, “SEO and PPC is what your business needs to succeed….but….join my company and I’ll help you succeed bigger!” Huh? Running a business is about focus, determination and dedication. Once again, ethics comes into play here. Why would you sell a product to a business owner to help him grow his bottom line while succinctly distracting him from it by trying to recruit him? If you are there to help the business owner, then help the business owner in his or her own business…not by bringing them into yours.

If you really plan on operating an AdzZoo base-shop, Boris, you need to pick your “you know what” off the ground and start swinging it like a leader. THEN, the ETHICAL PERSON IN YOU needs to do whatever it takes to inform AdzZoo leader on how they can improve their product lines in order to PROPERLY serve their (your) clients. Recruit JP and Chad to help if you can. If you get “fired” or “shot down” by Hubert and his network marketing mafia captains, then you’ll know exactly what to do next….move on.

You also mentioned that AdzZoo isn’t making enough money for you to support your family on. Is this really what you to put others through? Simple question.

If you believe in SEO, PPC, and all that jazz, then contact Chad and ask him how you can help him grow his business as a sales partner. Recruit a few reps per state and manage them with Chad. Let him be the tech-head, and you be HIS National Sales Director. It’s not network marketing at all, but it will feed your family. Heck, you and Chad might even become best buddies. He certainly knows what he is talking about, and you could use the “ethics boost” to get your spirit back where it needs to be. Start part-time (or “spare time”) if you have to.

Let’s see:

Boris, National Sales Director over 150 national reps who can each earn an income to live on (or at least make their rent or mortgage payments with extra income).

Even if you decide to stay with AdzZoo, you should still discover what the actual non-network marketing business model numbers are in the PPC consultative field (as far as income vs. expenses goes). See if you can live on it.

Finally, there has been a lot of hoopla about whether or not AdzZoo is an MLM company or direct marketing company. “Network Marketing” is too generic a term. Here’s the answer:

To qualify as a multilevel marketing company, downline need to buy products from their upline as a condition of membership PLUS all subsequent product sold to either new recruits or non-recruit consumers must be purchased through the “upline base-shop”.

In a direct marketing company, the sales rep may purchase sales materials from their company, but they don’t purchase products from their upline to sell to others.

A.L. Williams and Primerica Financial Services was often called a MLM company, but laws were actually in place (and still are in place) that prevent organizations that sell financial products from participating in the MLM structure. ALW and PFS were GENERAL AGENCY systems. If I wanted to sell a product to someone, I did the paperwork, earned a commission (as did my uplines), but the product was sold and delivered directly from corporate to the client. In other words, PFS did not sell an insurance product or mutual fund to me that I could, in turn, sell to someone else.

Jeez, I talk too much.

–Sky–

@Boris

Keep you chin up. There are lots and lots and lots and lots of ways to make a lot of money. AdzZoo is just part of your journey.

I’ll share two “secrets” to making money with you. Maybe these tidbits will help you in your journey…

1) THE LAW OF “EQUIVALENT VALUE”.
People will give you money based on something called “equivalent value”. In other words, the money you can receive will be equal to the value they perceive. (It even rhymes.) I demonstrate this to perfect strangers when I’m sitting in a pub. After speaking with them for a while and allowing them to get to know me, I ask them for a $20 bill. The answers I always get are:

a) Sure.
b) I don’t have $20, but I think I have a $5 or $10.
c) I’m using a credit card, so I don’t have any cash on me.
d) Are you out of money?

Nobody ever asks me “What do you need it for?” Why? Its because my time with them was given a “worth” in their own minds. If my conversation with them was insightful, informative, and somewhat entertaining, then they never seem to have a problem reaching for their wallets. If I was boring, an a$$, or something less than fun, they just stare at me quietly and say something like, “Are you friggen kidding me?”

If they do hand me any amount of money, I then follow with, “I don’t really need your money, but I wanted to show you one secret to becoming a little more wealthy today than you were yesterday. Here’s what just happened. Whose money am I holding in my hands right now?” They say, “Mine….well, yours…since you are holding it.” I then ask, “Can I have it?” 90% of the time, they just say, “Sure.” They don’t know why, but whatever the reason, they TRUST ME ENOUGH to just give their money to me. Equivalent value.

When I show then what just happened and explain to them why the gave me their money based on my simply asking for it, they light up like it was Christmas. I always give the money back and buy the next round to ease their suspicions, but it proves a point: People will pay you all day long if you have something that they perceive is valuable BEFORE you even ask for their money.

I hope you understand this point, Boris. It can save your butt in tight financial binds. You just need to make sure you deliver.

2) FEEL, FELT, FOUND
Though I’m not into “sales trainers”, I found this tidbit to be remarkable. It is simply called the “Feel, Felt, Found” close. This tactic is based entirely on showing “empathy”. For example, if I have a customer who isn’t sure that he can spend his money with me, but he really wants the product, I’ll ask him what is holding him back (in my own kind of way). After he tells me, I stay quiet for a second to let my mind step into his shoes.

Then, I’ll say, “John, I know how you FEEL. Though I’ve never had to deal with exactly the same issues, I have had to deal with similar ones, so I have FELT the exact same way you do right now. But, after doing a little more research, here’s what I FOUND out so that I could move forward with the transaction…..”

(NOTE: I don’t lie to people. This technique is based on REAL EMPATHY. Your own personal stories and dealings are a powerful thing if you can incorporate them to Feel, Felt, Found.)

Hope these tidbits help in some way, shape or form.

–Sky–

A house built on sand will surely fall.

A house of cards can’t stand for long nor weather wind.

I don’t know for sure it doesn’t work – but doubt it does based on:

1. Chad’s genius understanding and knowledge of seo and stating that it can only be a pit-in-a-poke – allegedly

2. fact that I can’t get any testimonials from companies saying it works nor will Adzzoo peeps provide any.

3. Refusal of Adzzoo advocates to allow Chad to run analytics that will prove or disprove.

I would think if you had some golden secret super seo high rank system – you would want to prove it and then have EVERYONE beating down your door and be able to charge more.

Their silence speaks volumes.

CovingtonGaCPA ranked 4 and adzzo site ranked 7 for:

estate tax return prep covington ga

15,200 results – very low competition if any.

“estate tax return prep covington ga” in quotes exact match 0 results NO COMPETITION AT ALL

Anyway, that has got to be one of the longest long tail keyword phrases I have seen to date! haha

If it works for you… then all the best.

Boo. I haven’t responded becasue what was the point?

Never said AdzZoo was so great. Show me the text where I said that. All I said was that Adzzoo has produce results, that Chad’s examples were old, JPs logic was a joke, I don’t work for Adzzoo so i can’t give you a list of clients… only ones I have verified are listed (even though Adzzoo doesn’t guarantee organics).

Sky had some very good points. Espcially that AdzZoo takes a good thing SEO and clouds (Muddies it up) with MLM rceruiting. That is what gives people a sour intention and keeps them from understanding what the producty is. For a ma and pa shop it is a goopd into to internet branding (What the compnay sells). They don’t sell SEO, they don’t sell PPC. Even the sales reps that worked for them (BORIS) don’t know what they sell. That is why there arguments are all over the place about things AdzZoo does and doesn’t do.

Again. Adzzoo is not an SEO company. They are not a PPC company. They are a intorductory branding package. And I DO NOT work for Adzzoo, so I cannot provide examples beyond the oens I showed.

…and grow up JP. There’s plenty of room in the SEM world for all of us.

Marshall W.

Marshall,
I know what I sell. I only said that I am not an SEO guy that knows how to put that together. And yes, Adzzoo does sell PPC campaigns. Don’t bring me into your crusade about AdzZoo here. I was not trained on how to put and SEO campaign together, I was only trained on the benefits of having a web presence online which has been working for my clients and that is why they stay. By the way, you can google almost any business category with .adzzoo at the end and you will find plenty of adzzoo websites that Chad can do his analytics. I don’t think you need permission to do it. Please tell me if I am not correct. Besides, I would think that Google would not allow AdzZoo to continue selling their service if they were doing something wrong like other companies that were banned from using Google for their business. Chad, here is a client of mine. Do the analytics and let me know what you come up with. I am curious as well. http://runnersco.adzzoo.com. This client decided not to upgrade to a custom campaign so it is the template version. The custom pages they make are really cool. The $200 (not commissioned) that others have paid have more to them. If you want to see some custom ones, let me know and I will post them.

IT’S ABOUT TIME BORIS!!! WAAYYYYYY OVERDUE.

Where have you been? Let’s see some MORE clients.

We have been begging and pleading and NOTHING – you have a lot of

SPLAINING TO DO!!!!

NOW we don’t want just on customer – WE WANT MORE – ONE IS PROOF OF NOTHING.

Boris – don’t think you’re going to give us just one client and get off that easy. I want to see a total CROSS SECTION OF ALL CLIENTS.

How many did you sign up?

How many are still with you 6 mos later?

Please answer.

How much profits did they make?

We are tired of the BS

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!