I’ve Tried That - We lose money so you don’t have to!

Hi,

I was introduced to the incentivized freebie websites through Projest Payday. I have profitted nearly $3000 in seven monthusing the strategies outlined in Project Payday. I have never violated any affiliate program rule and have been paid every single time I earned a prize. I have used these programs to get paid to buy insurance, subscribe to Netflix, buy books, printer ink and other items. The only thing that wiffs of a scam on Project Payday is that you have to pay for their information, which many other people would gladly give you for free. Projest Payday is clear that this not a get rich quick scheme, but you can make relatively small amounts of money by working these sites. I used to have a part time job but was able to leave that after discovering this system.

Ok you dont have to pay andyou dont have to do the complete one of the following things.
If you want it for “FREE” you have to do the complete one of the following but if you dont want to do that you can buy it for $34.95 and you can use paypal meaning you dont have to put your credit card up on the line.

I came across PPD because I was looking for make money ideas on the internet and it was getting very good reviews. I opted to pay for it rather than do an offer and it was an awesome thing. I’ve made over 300 dollars with very little work and I’m currently taking it to the next level to generate a consistent income. No, it won’t make you rich quick and it doesn’t claim to. PPD just puts together all the information you can find across the internet into one place. Should you be charged for it? Well I suppose someone has to pay their marketing and bandwidth bills. I’ve been recommending it to friends and will continue to do so. This industry is expanding and I’m going to be a part of it.

I use FLR and am making a little money. FLR is just a place for everyone who is interested in IFWs to go and meet and interact. True, you don’t always get your credit. But it’s not FLR’s fault. They don’t pay you themselves. They come from the ADVERTISERS who are providing the offer, not the sites themselves. You would still be having problems with the crediting issues whether you use them or not. Users are encouraged to only try offers they are willing to honestly try. I have bought books, movies, ringtones, etc. Some of the freebie sites are willing to give you manual credit if an advertiser doesn’t give you the credit. You do have to keep a detailed log of the offers you’ve done and when to cancel trial memberships though. If you don’t keep accurate records, you will lose more money than what you make. PPD is not a scam.

i am interested and looking into project payday to see if could get a little extra money for myself, i’m still worried if it is going to ruin my credit or something so i’m not sure yet but still i’m looking all over the internet for answers before i start to make any trades, based on the fact that we need our credit card to complete the offers soemtimes i feel that is a little not secure, i wonder if the gift visa cards also would work, i will try with that and i will let you guys know if someone is interested, just trying to help people not waste their money, and if i loose my money or something bad happens with project payday, i certainly will post on every blog online about that so people don’t get tricked, lets be honest, you don’t know what it is until you experienced it.

Project Payday IS REAL.sleeeeazy..it’s an ethically-challenged system, and I got paid immediately after I started…yes, most of the offers from the IFW sites do require a fee but you don’t really have to pay the fee at all. For instance – if I work out an arrangement with a guy on the forum and I sign up for an offer with a 14 day trial and the guy is paying me $25 to my PayPal instantly upon sign up, after day 10 of the 14 day trial I just cancel the trial and still keep my $25 payment! And the money just adds up. You can not call something a scam just because you refuse to get involved with it – You are correct, it’s not a scam, it’s a scheme! However we reserve the right to point out how sleazy it is to take the money, with every intention of canceling the contract.

And, you have to do it again and again, seeking new opportunities to do the same thing, ripping of more and more people, knowing you’re never going to take the product. If they didn’t offer the $10 to $25, you wouldn’t take a second look.

This forum seeks to promote legitimate business opportunities where by providing a service or product, you earn a profit. And, whether it is a one-time purchase or service, you can still find others who need, want it, and are willing to pay for it.

With your scheme, you provide no service or product, nothing of value.

I joined Project Payday just a week ago. I didn’t mind paying to join….I have seen alot worse. PPD comes pretty well recommended so I thought I would give it a shot. I have made $75.00 so far. I admit I have ordered more than that right now, but I don’t order anything I don’t want or need. And I don’t go overboard on that. This is not something to get rich with. It takes patience and perserverence. You can’t come to the site desperate for money. This is something you have to take slow until you get the hang of it, or you will end up spending way too much money!! I have a mentor who is helping me. They are very patient and willing to help wherever I need it. You have to be willing to read EVERYTHING that Project Payday has to read in the member area and it is alot. They leave nothing out. If you have the patience you can make a good monthly income on this site. It is not a scam, it’s just that some people expect more from it than they should. Read everything about Project Payday that you can, then it is up to you.

If you are worried about using a credit card, use a prepaid debit card with a mastercard or visa logo. That way you can keep careful track of what you invest to receive your profits and set aside a specific amount to put into the program. They work just as well as a credit card and no charges can be placed on it that you do not authorize. This is money invested in a business and can be used to document business expenses on your taxes at the end of the year. And this method shields your credit.

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Unfortunately there are quite a few sponsors who will not accept a pre-paid card of any kind. But I have used my debit card and my Discover card with no worries. I did order “Lifelock” security as one of my offers. That is a fantastic program to have and you really don’t have to worry once you have that program helping you. But I understand why you are hesitant to use your cc.

Kathleen, I don’t think ppd is a rebate processing company. I am not sure what it is yet but I am wanting to try it. I was led to PPD through google when I was inquiring about the rebate processor companies. I wanted to find out about these rebate processing companies and from what I understand, they are all a rip-off. Just go to google and search rebate processors and you will see. So far from what i have read, PPD is legit. You can also vivit this link … http://www.***.org/ and see the grading systems of some of these home-based businesses. Good Luck and if you find out anything about PPD, please let me know. Thanks , Diana

Steve, i sincerely apologize about the link. I wasn’t trying to advertise anything. It didn’t even dawn on me what i was doing. I accidently stumbled upon the website and found the grading system helpful. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Still need any info on PPD if anyone can help.

Ty Diana

I am seriously tired of people trying to scam me into giving them my money. The biggest problem is that I am looking for something to help pay all the bills, and there are so many things that just try to take your money.

it really stinks!!! oh by the way.. Dave Ramsey is awesome.

PS to Brandon, who is Dave Ramsey???

HI MY NAME IS YOLANDA IAM LOOKING FOR A HOMEBASE BUSINESS PLEASE IF ANY ONE KNOW OF ANY THAT IS REAL PLEASE LET LET ME.. I WILL LEAVE YOU MY EMAIL ADDRESS.. yolanda2006@hotmail.com I WILL REVIEW THE PPD PROGAM RIGHT NOW.. THANK FOR ALL THE REVIEW..

Hi Carol –

There seems to be a few things that need to be more clear. My problem is not so much with PPD as they can only do so much.

It was with the merchants/vendors who would not credit or recognize my confirmed orders /payments, even when I offered to and sent confirmation e-mails and copy of bank statement(s) showing that I REALLY did make a purchase(s).

Yes I did join the FLR and like you I went thru the material carefully and for me it took about a week as well.

If you read my first post carefully I never said I use pre-paid cards. I set up a account at my bank solely for THIS business venture

Again I never said I completed any offers I was not willing to do . . .simply I did the ones I decided upon – not a problem

Simply no mistakes were made . . .they would not give credit, even when proof was offered.

It was not a matter of giving up, it was clearly a matter of not wanting to “ride a dead horse” and do business with companies who choose to be less than ethical. . . when the proof is in front of them

If you feel working for six weeks and making a whopping $100 for your time is your idea of a healthy income -You Go Girl –

Those kind of numbers work well if you are living in a third world country where average incomes are about $300-$500 a year!

I hope you do contact me to show me your paypal account as well as others who read these posts. I’m waiting as you speak.

Again I never said I went to the FLR forum . .I went to the list of other traders Where it shows when they started / joined and how many trades they have completed . . .which on the most part is less than 10.

The reason why it is so low is that the money is simply not there for the money needed by most people. Try contacting those members . .the vast majority have moved on. The attrition rate is very high – due to the lack of viable pay

Fortunately patience and perseverance as well as a good business sense I have.

I fault the merchant / vendors for not being upfront and honest and honoring honest CONFIRMED orders I have no problem with PPD or FLR . . .I am willing to bet PPD is aware of it, yet choose to stay silent. . .they would be biting the hands that feeds them.

Carol I hope you DO PROVE ME WRONG . .I am more than willing to eat a BIG slice of humble pie for you and every one else

I await to see your paypal balance sheet as well as many others. Hopefully this system will notify me of any of your posts.

The upside is that your success will create a major following of people willing to train and trade with you . . .me as well

You Go Girl! I as well as others, are watching and waiting.

We wish you well ->Danzig Panzer

Danzig,
I understand your frustration. The PPD and FLR is not for everyone. I have made only $100, that is true. But I working on my trade thread. Once that is complete I will be able to go to method #2 and start paying for referrals. That is where I will make the money. On the “forever green” sites you can make $100 over and over and over. I have friends doing this who make $1,000 to $3,000 per month. I am not just saying this to “sell” you or anyone else on PPD. It is just the truth. I know my meazly $100.00 is not much. But I AM going to do better, I have every confidence.
Of course this business is NOT for someone who is desperate for money. You need to be able to start doing this without worrying about where your next meal is coming from. I really feel for those folks that join PPD with this kind of desperation. Wish I could help them, somehow.

There have been times when I did not get credit for an offer I did. I sent proof emails, called them, talked to the owners of the IFW. I just plain did not get the credit. I was upset, of course!! Anyone would be. But I moved on. Those are just some of the problems you have to deal with. There are problems in ANY kind of business, whether it be online or outside in the real world. How you deal with them helps in how successful or unsuccessful you become.

If you were to go on the FLR forum, you would see iTrade numbers in the 20’s, 30′, 40’s and some even higher. I am just glad I joined the FLR forum. They have so much help and people who want to help, not just make money but actually help you be successful.

Hopefully I will be able to show you some proof when I “get going”!! Take care and hope you find what you are looking for and need!!
Carol

She is not teaching people about free lunch room, she is showing people how to make money with the affiliate program in the members area of PPD. “Affiliate Program” not “IFW”

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Mieke, I don’t do survey sites. I tried them and they are not easy to make money on. Usually you end up being put in a “pool” to perhaps win something, if you are lucky. I stopped doing those a couple of years ago. Project Payday and the forum I belong to, FreeLunchRoom, has nothing to do with surveys. I have Lifelock security so I don’t worry about using my CC on the web.

PPD, for me, is a great way to make money. But doing method 1 is not easy. You have to be patient, persistent and NOT give up. Then when you go to method 2, that is where you make all your money. I have been a member of PPD and Free Lunch Room since March. So far I have made only $200.00. That is the money I am going to use in method 2. If a person can stick with it and give it a really good chance, then they will succeed. But they can’t go in it with the attitude of “this is a scam, this won’t work”, etc. You can’t expect to make hundreds of thousands of dollars. I want to make enough money to buy my gas, buy food, pay bills and have some extra left over. Something to take the burden off my husband so we can save some money. And if I work at it, I can make more than enough!! Alot of folks on PPD and FLR go into it with that same attitude of making some extra cash and having fun at the same time. But there are some really motivated folks that are making $2,000 to $5,000 or more per month. That is possible. So don’t put it down until you have looked into it more or gone in there and tried it yourself, please.

You know it’s true the saying, “If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is”. A person has to be so careful, because the data entry and rebate processors sounds so good. I would love to be able to do something like that.

I am still doing PPD and although your have to work at it, especially in the first part, it has been worth it to me. Since I have gotten past the first part or “method 1″, I am starting to see some decent money coming into my Paypal. It isn’t going to make me wealthy at all, but it will make life a little easier.

Anyone reading this, just be careful about anything and everything online. There are some good legit offers, but there many more scams that just want to take your money.

re-write: It looks to me that most of the complaints and wrongful name calling(scammer-a Type of: beguiler, cheat, cheater, deceiver, slicker, trickster.)are from people who do not understand what it takes to build a bus.

#1 You got your investment back, then you were not scammed.

#2 Turn your negative experience into a positive one by admitting to yourself that you now know that you needed more knowledge about the company you got involved with. But you were willing to make a choice to quit doing your homework until you were absolutely positive that company was for you.
And if it didn’t work out for you then you cut your losses and took a positive learning experience with you to use later.

hi everyone!

i just got started with ppd and find the information very informative and am ready to take action with my mentor.i have the ambition to do 5 surveys a day with method 1 and just wanted to know from experienced ppd members,can i really do as many offers for method 1 as i want?i know about the individuals having to contact you to “seal the deal”but am i correct when i say the offers are never limited to a day?i am on the computer more than 20 hours a week and though i strongly believe i will n not get rich with ppd,i believe it can provide a substantial income for me.i am only interested in offers that will allow me to “go green”instantly.please get back to me through my email address on yahoo.i would really love to hear from someone who is well experienced with ppd.i will start in about 4 hours from now with my mentor…good luck and god bless in all you do!

email you can reach me:

ruslynealexis2000@yahoo.com

Carol, I’ve read your posts from the past few months and wanted to get an update. You seem to me to be very optimistic and business minded. I don’t want to see a paypal account balance, but would like to know if you are still working the PPD. Thanks for your time!

Carol –
Congrades for your stick to it tactics !!

We have exchanged emails in the past about PPD. You are now making $200 plus a month good for you . . amount like that can make all the diffrence in the world to a person depending there needs.

While my guess is that your $200 is a net profit as many readers may not know that people who work PPD need to “buy” product / services for a return of money, product prizes.

What is your R.O.I. ?

What you have not let the readers know is how many hours does it take for you to earn the $200 ??

My experience with PPD is that the product vendors were and are on the most part unethical almost impossible to contact. An very covert in their shipping policy and credit / cancellation process.

It would be fair to say that most people need and want a viable on line business that matches or exceeds their current rate of hourly pay.

A person who works PPD is taking ALL THE FINANCAIL RISK not the product vendors certainly not FLR or any one else !!

If a person is not making at least $25 -$30 net a hour with PPD. I would walk away fast

Not all of your trades will be credited and not all vendors will be honest and a person will have negitive money losses.

Carol, if you are running in the black. An PPD . . IS working for you then stay with it for now. Since you have been forced into retirement, perhaps your back is up against the wall.

If you find you have “hit the wall” with PPD let me know.

For every one who reads this I would not recommend PPD /FLR

– Danzig

PS Something else I wanted to let folks know, you DO NOT have to join Project Payday to do this business. You can get in the Free Lunch forum free. It just helps to join the Project Payday as they have ALOT of help and tutorials. Once you go through alot of their training (free) you can become a Project Payday Mentor and make even more money. I haven’t dont that yet. Maybe I will, maybe not. Haven’t decided yet.

Thanks, Danzig. Will keep your biz in mind. What is the name of it? What type of products do you offer? Take care and best of luck to you also!! We can never have too many friends or too much happiness or luck!! :0)
Carol

PS I like your comment about greed. Would you mind if I use it in some of my posts and in my signatures??

Well, it seems there’s a bit of confusion here that needs some straightening out – to be honest I stumbled upon this site during a web search, but I do have the definitive answer for you. Project Payday is if nothing else taking advantage of anyone who signs up for their site, and here’s how:
You have the option to “complete an offer” instead of paying by CC to join. What is NOT being said is those “offers” are linked to a site named freeforallmankind.com, which in turn is owned by the owner of FreeLunchRoom. So in essence, you are paying him for the access to his FREE site. FLR for those of you unfamiliar with this business, is really the scourge of these types of forums (albeit the largest). Less than 50% of its members are actually active due to the fact you must pay over and over again to get any significant exposure on the forum at all. How do I know this — simple — I too own a forum and do not stoop to these practices. That said the FORUM itself is comprised of real people who ARE making money completing offers and trading sites. Just dont throw away your cash to PPD to gain access!
I would also suggest using a different forum to trade at where the forum owner does not charge you fees for things such as having your post at the top of the thread. There;s simply no need to do so – it only puts $$$ in his pocket and it doesnt work.
IFW’s (the offer sites that people trade) ARE reputable sites that are offering real dollars for specific actions taken (signing up for a Netflix trial for example). It may cost you around $7-8 dollars to complete the trials needed in order to obtain a referral code you then trade with others, but if you do it, and you ORGANISE and keep good records — you WILL make significant money. Keep in mind however — if you do offers and do not in good faith try them, your credit will be revoked and youll no longer be able to trade the referral code. The whole key is that code – you can trade it (or pay someone to do the site for you) literally hundreds of times! Let’s say for example the IFW is offering you $40 for a completed referral — you in turn would make a post offering someone $20 to do it for you. In the end, you have made $20 once you pay the other trader. Now, multiply that by a conservative number of IFW’s you might have in your portfolio (25 is a VERY conservative number). Now lets say you trade any combination of them a total of 20 times in a week (certainly not out of the question — I’ve done it many many times). Thats a $1000 gross income less the $500 you had to pay out to people for completing the sites for you – leaving you a $500 profit for a week’s work. I HAVE made more than that in a single day — not every day mind you, but more times than I can count on two hands over the last 5 months.
My only suggestion to everyone here is that they avoid ProjectPayDay (you simply dont need to pay $35 for free info) as well as avoiding FreeLunchRoom (in this writer’s opinion its run more like a serfdom where everyone pays the King as opposed to a place where people meet on equal terms and work honestly and openly. A couple of forums I would suggest:
anything4free.com/forums (more centered around prizes such as ipods than $$)
ibrokethebank.com (a new site, but well-constructed and it provides “Guides” to help a new user get up to speed as well as certifying all new Traders)
freebiesociety.com/forums (another reputable site)

Above all, my best advice to you is to READ these forums before jumping in. You CAN make mistakes and cost yourself dollars. The saving grace to that is, you’ll find other members more than willing to share their experiences so you can learn from them and truly make a good income.

I use IBroketheBank.com (thats the forum address, the main portal is portal.ibrokethebank.com. I’ve completed more than 30 trades there, and made somewhere in the area of $750. It actually would be higher except for the fact that time has been an issue lately.

I suggest the forum however, you can register and post there asking to be paid for completing offers for others. That way you’ll generate a small amount of money ($20 or so) that will immediately re-imburse you for having spent that $5-8 for shipping fees for the offers you have done.

If you’d like PM DancesWithDollars once youre there — he’s the Admin and he was very helpful to me when I started out. I’m sure he can set you up with a few sites to make money on.

lww, first of all, you don’t have to join PPD to get into FLR.
were you a member of PPD and FLR? If so, did you have a bad experience with them?

Hello Carol…..I was a member of FLR, but not of PPD – there’s no reason to be – I earn well above the numbers youre quoting without their so-called “perks” – so why would I spend $35 for something I can access for free? As for FLR, yes – I did have a bad experience, and so have many many others, which is why you see their membership at 151,000 but their ACTIVE membership about 70% less than that. All is well and good until such time as you no longer are doing offers, but are offering to pay people to do so. Then FLR wants you to PAY $50 to be “verified” so people will be more comfortable trading with you. Why is that — you’ve been “verified” by every last offer site you have ever completed! There’s NO need for FLR to do it other than to line their pockets. And let’s talk about having to BUY sticky thread so your post doesnt disappear off the board in under an hour. $25/ per day? Come on now, and oh yes – unless you pay to be verified, you arent allowed to purchase a sticky anyway! Let’s line the pockets again shall we??? The owner of that forum also was bounced out of another forum in 2006 for allegedly committing major fraud (allegedly mind you, I am not privy to the details)- not the kind of person I would do business with. In addition, an offer site he claims to have “just taken over” after it closed 4 months ago and left hundreds of people unpaid for their work — he has actually owned since 2006 when it originally opened (and THIS I can prove upon request).
I dont have a major issue with PPD Carol — its internet marketing (at its worst) but not illegal. If people want to waste their $35 paying for something they can have for free with a bit of effort, that’s up to them. What I DO have an issue with is FLR and its “smoke and mirrors” approach to business – it gives this entire industry a black eye. If you want to know why people fear doing things like this, al you have to do is ask the thousands of people who got a bad taste left in their mouth by FLR. Technically not illegal, but certainly both immoral and predatory at best. I’d recommend IFW’s to anyone, I make my living at it (to the tune of $2000-3000 per month)- I just wouldnt send anyone I wanted to remain friends with to this particular one.

lww is a former member “lwwells” on FLR who was banned for mass spamming and fraud. He made ibrokethebank.com afterward and he’s clearly venting more since he can’t get anyone to his site.

He is a HUGE scammer. Anyone with any connection to him or his site, BEWARE!!!

I definitely wouldn’t go for it. I signed up and fortunately only paid $9.00. I read the tutorials and researched before I decided to attempt to go green on the FLR. I signed up for a few offers on 2 IFW sites. Both of which I have yest to go green on. I have 1/2 a credit on both and am still waiting for the remaing credits which I have a feeling won’t be showing up anytimes soon. This has left me dissapointed and it’s one venture I won’t be continuing. I can’t imagine selling and referring this scam to anyone else. This kind of thing will encourage people to go nuts signing up for offers just to see if the credit shows up (I was tempted to do this but decided against it). It may work for some, but it’s just not worth it. I’d stay away!

A couple of comments to Angies post. You said you attempted to go green. May I ask what browser you were using at the time? I know I had problems when I first started also. But after making a few adjustments and following the instructions exactly, I have never failed to credit on any offer. Some offers say instant and are instant when it comes to crediting. Sometimes it may take 2-3 days. Some offers say 5-7 days. It may take 2 weeks. At one time I waited on an offer to credit for a month!! How long have you waited? Folks should know up front that this is not something to get rich quick on or even to make huge amounts of money before they jump into this.(I am not saying this is you, just that there are folks that do have this mindset.)

Too many “newbies” go in without a clue of what to expect and wanting to make ALOT of money upfront. That is not what usually happens. Then they do a couple of offers on a few different sites, don’t green and give up. This business takes patience and perseverance. If the offers aren’t done in the proper way, you can lose money. I have, in the very early part of being in the freebie business, lost money. But I got good advice from my mentor, went on to do many more sites and made enough money to go on to method #2. I have now made back the money I lost plus any money I may have spent on offers plus much, much more. I have made enough doing this that I have been able to go into another online business and pay for alot of advertising from the money I have made with the freebie business. I can say that you won’t get rich doing the freebie business, but it sure does help buy some extras, (food, gas, etc) and fund your way into other onlline ventures. You just have to hang in there for more than a week or two to do any good. You cannot have a “give up” attitude. That holds true for any business you do online.

Iceeyes, I agree with you, you do not need to pay anything to get into doing this. AND, did you know that you can get referrals on your own?? It isn’t that hard, really. Alot of people just don’t have the knowledge or know where to go to get those referrals. They will never make it if they don’t understand that you have to have an inate understanding of network marketing to be successful with any online business. You can’t just sit back and wait for the money to come to you. That being said, I totally understand why someone would not want to waste their time on this business if they don’t have the patience and understanding or time to do this. Each to their own. I wish you both the best in whatever you do online. Just keep trying, I am sure you will find something that suits you!!

I’ve tried this sort of thing hoping to make quick money for a trip. I made a total of $60 doing three offers in 2 weeks- and would have made more than $20 ea on subsequent offers but decided it wasn’t worth it. The guy I did it for was very thorough with his training of people on how to “green”, and actually communicates with his people by phone sometimes. You talk during the initial “interview”, and then normally via email, or you can call him with an “emergency”. He seemed honest and provided everything you needed to learn the ropes. Still, I found it tough to sift through all the offers, it’s like the same ones all over most of the sites, and they often cost outrageous amounts. It seemed I was running out of good offers and spending too much time sifting through their sites trying to figure out what was required. It was crazy! But once you get the hang of it, it can be done & can make you a lot of loot. The guy I worked for resells his freebies on eBay. I didn’t think the time and spam/scam potential (from the companies providing “offers”) was worth it!

Just to let anyone know out there you need to be internet friendly and know how and why cookies/temporary files work on your computer. If not it is easy to misunderstand the information on FLR. I started on 11/12 and made $75 by spending only $20 in offers. ($55) And probably only was on the internet for 4 hours total. Today is 11/15…do the math

Carol Robinson is a poser & full of sh*t. But surely you all recognize these “ads” when you see them??

Just the truth, Wanderer, no ads. Sorry you are so upset. I don’t pose or advertise anywhere about this. You obviously had a bad experience doing this. You must not have had a good person to work with or been in the right place. You seem very angry and I am sorry for that, but that isn’t my fault. You don’t have to use bad language to get your point across, either. And I REALLY am happy for Affiliatechaser and tomas.

Well i am cunfused as hell i came to this site to make up my mind on weather i will do it or not, to see if its a scam or not well im just as lost as before i came to this site i read every bodys comment i didnt listen to those oppinions that didnt even try the system. But i want to that those that gave a honest oppinion and i think i will try it and tell you my opinion. an yes ive tried tons of differnt systems and nothing is free, nothing is easy, and nothing will get you rich. to tell you the truth the majority of this world is schemish from Bush to Bill Gates to pepole how file Bankrupcy to get rid of million dollar debts ok let me stop be for i get some one upset but you get my point, But if a scheme feeds my family, keeps my roof on are heads and grows to more and more income as you get good at it like an job you get raises, im all for it for personal info if any bodys got advise on a proven system contact me at apkd28@yahoo.com

I wouldn’t go near PP and FLR with a 10 foot pole. I tried it and did offers on 2 IFW sites for 2 sellers and have a half credit on each site left yet to be credited to go greem. The crediting issues are the worst! I even put in reports for both to be resolved but it’s been a couple of months and have yet to hear anything. I’m not holding my breath for the credits to show up either. I wouldn’t do or sell this idea to anyone. Even if it works for some who knows how many more people are wasting their time waiting for credits that never green and wasting time cancelling offers.

It sounded like such a neat idea too.

Hey Maniac,
what are you talking about the world is built on the Hard Working and the strong. Schemish lol your looking for a dream system that doesnt excist its all bull havnt you realized that yet your buying other peoples systems to make them money this is there business you think you will get a dime well you might only get a dime

ok
i got a Q it may seem stupid but alot of terms im not familiar with but what the heck is a STICKY? i google everthing if i dont know it but i cant find my answer on this i beleive it has something to do with advertising

I do not know how you guys are operating. I started doing these things this week. In an hour and a half I had made $38. This is a legitimate business. If you read the terms of service for the offers before you take them (which you should always do), you will see that nothing that we are doing is against their terms. And as far as offers crediting, that has not been a problem as of yet. Most of the times when an offer does not credit it is because your web browser does not accept the cookie. There are a couple of annoyances with this business. The first is, the fact that you have to remember to cancel the memberships that you do not wish to continue. The second thing is, even though the companies do not charge you for the free trial, they will authorize your card for that amount. In a few days that charge will disappear off of your card. They do this to make sure the funds are there. And as far as this ripping off the companies, that is ridiculous. These companies are doing this for advertising. Every offer I sign up for I log into their web page and try out the service. If it is a service I really like I will either keep it, or go back and sign up later when I need it. Advertising is basically getting the word out. The more people that try the products the more that will buy them. It is as simple as that. So even if I cancel my service, I know what kind of a product it is, I have used it. If I am talking to someone I may mention one of these products to them in casual conversation. The more people that try the product, the more well known it becomes. If nothing else the companies will get enough word of mouth advertising to cover what they have paid for. And that is considering that everyone cancels. The fact of the matter is, some of the people doing this will keep some of the products. The companies know that it is only a numbers game. There is money to be made at this, it is a business, it does take work and attention to detail. It is not particular difficult, anyone can do it, but it does take time and effort. The last point is why people are not successful at this. People want money for nothing, that is not going to happen. This does take effort and persistence and time. It pays well for the time put in though. Any legitimate web opportunity has its naysayers because they did not enjoy it, or because they tried it for 15 minutes and did not make money. That is why there are inactive accounts at project payday. That is why their are traders who do 1 or 2 trades and quit. They want the easy money for nothing pie-in-the-sky. And that simply does not exist. I have rambled for long enough. Anyone interested in going further with this can email me and I will help them out on their first couple of trades.

Steve, are you watching?

self-promotion…but perhaps I am thinking wrong here. You watch just for self-promoting links, correct? Never mind.

I totally understand, Roy. Sorry I made it sound like I did. I think what Steve looks for is when we put our own personal links in our posts here. I am just keeping him “on his toes” (as if he needs that). I agree with you 100% about PPD. I came to the freebie world via PPD. There is no scam there. I have made alot of $$ via FLR. If you will look above in the posts, I have already been slammed for “posing” and some other bad language by someone named “Wanderer”. I am only singing the praises of PPD & FLR. I have had some new refs I tried to mentor do one or two freebie sites and then said they “ran out of offers” which just doesn’t happen if you really want to make a go of this. I have been doing it since March of this year. Best of luck to you. With your good attitude you will do great!!

Hi Maniac,
I am glad you have found out what I have found out. It is great, isn’t it? It sounds like you have what it takes to do really good with this. Many people just aren’t made to do this. I guess we are a “special” breed?? I know it takes alot of patience and “want to”. I made over $400 last month because of my “sticky”. That doesn’t include other folks I have mentored in that month. Oh, I know that doesn’t sound like much at all to some people, but hey, how much are those people making right now?? I am happy with what I am making.

I have also gotten a couple of pretty neat gifts. I guess I had better be careful here, I might get accused of “posing” again, :0). I am just really happy for you, Maniac. It is not all wonderful though and you have to be willing to take the bad with the good. Right now I am working on another freebie forum doing offers, so I am the “seller” and not the “buyer” on this forum. Anyway, I did a Netflix offer and although I did everything just right, it still has not credited!!! It has been a month. But, I am not letting this get me down. I am only looking onward and upward!! I will put you on my AIM and Yahoo. When I see you online, I will introduce myself!!

Like every other way to make money, there are down sides. Yes, it is true that not all of the offers credit. I have had all but 1 credit so far, and that one still may. It has been 2 weeks. I have made right at $300. And have been doing this off and on for 2 weeks or thereabouts. And regardless how many make it sound, this is work. You have to keep up with what offers you have done, and cancellation dates on the ones you no longer want to keep. As far as cashing out, so far that has not been a problem. The only problem with that is you have to verify your identification. They need a copy of your driver’s license. And there is a delay on the first payment because of that. Any of you that have, decided to take the plunge, feel free to PM me on Free Lunch Room. My id is rgrace. I will be glad to help you learn the business. Whether you decide to trade with me or not. Anyway, like many have said this IS NOT for everyone. It is not do nothing and get paid for it. But, anyone can make money at it. And for someone, who wants to put in the effort. You can turn it into a full time career. Most people do not do this full time. Whether you want to make an extra $100 a month. Or an extra $2000 a month it is possible. But, as project payday says, do not expect to get rich doing this.

That really depends on how you are doing it, If you are doing offers at first a lot of offers are free. So far I have not had to spend over $12 to make $40. If you are paying folks for referrals, you will spend $15-$25 for a $40 referral. There are people who make $8,000 a month and they probably clear around $4000-$5000 profit.

Joe, yes, I have cashed out many times. I do have proof pics from Paypal. As far as someone said about making $2000 per month? I am sure it can be done. It depends on how much work you want to put in it. I have sites that pay me $50 per referral. I will pay my referral at least half of what I am paid. So if I made a total of $1000, then $500 of that is going to my referrals. But I enjoy paying folks and showing them that money can be made. And as I said before, it is $500 I didn’t have before. I call method #1 the “investment stage”. Method #2, that I am on now, is where you don’t invest anything just pay your referrals. You get your referrals and pay them 1/2 of what you were paid. As far as making $2000 or more, it can be done. You have to work hard and make a real commitment to it. Truthfully, I am just too lazy to work that hard at it!! :0)

Oh Carol,
It was Nice Talkin to you and hope you well and you way up to the top and i think we are a speical breed only because it takes alittle bit of patience, understanding and positivity. you cat just jump and expect money. It does take alittle work and job you first start you must learn how to do your job or how are you going to know what to do you ask people if you dont know and thats any job you must understand what your doing and if you miss up are you going to quit your job No you learn and move on. you have an opportunity to start your own business for real with real cash. your not chasing infomercials this isnt like that. you have a real opportunity in your hands but some people and to winny, negative, and just to fast they dont know how to let the dust settle before they start sweeping agian and some people when it doesnt go there way 100% they have a fit and give up and with any business there will be problems any biz you own a store you can get robbed but do you give up no you do it agian tomorrow every business has its bad and good but the fact of why im Like WOW is out of all the money i spent on systems, infomercials and online jobs and just tons of suff i didnt pay a thing and im making money and it was online thats what WOW’s me its crazy because my thing was why do i have to pay you if you guarantee me that im going to make money why cant i pay after i make money whats But i dont pay a think and i can make money online and i finally found something real something that was not fraud and i dont and to invest anything maybe some chump change but thats it. IT JUST WOW’S ME sorry but thats the only word i can use to say how i feel and thats not even enough

Hi Maniac,
No problems with the typo’s. It sounds like you are just excited to get the word out. I know how you feel. It is exiciting and I am really happy for you. You saw the potential and went for it, and now whoever thinks PPD or FLR is a scam, oh well, we can just leave them in the dust!! Onwards and upwards for us. You have the right attitude. It is great. Hang in there and best of luck to you!!

But I don’t want to go where you’re going, Maniac.

I have arrived, baby! Anywhere that’s worth being, I’m already there!

Ah, I’m just messin’ with you, man. I appreciate you being willing to help folks out.

I also found Project Payday while looking online for ways to make money at home. I opted to join by completing one of the sponsor offers, joining a paperback book club for only $4. PPD led me to the Free Lunch Room forum and I can’t say enough good things about FLR. I started my first 2 months by doing offers on sites for people willing to pay me to do the offers and I won’t lie, it was a lot of hard work. But for me this is what any person would do when starting a business. I look at FLR as running your own business. You must use a debit or credit card to complete the offers and you must keep track of each offer’s terms and when/if the remainder of the trial product you ordered has to be returned to the company should you decide to cancel. I cleared several hundred dollars in my first couple of months on FLR and do plan to move to Method 2 that PPD mentions in the near future where I will be paying people to do offers for me. You stated that for people to send referrals to an IFW site to complete offers and then split your prize money with them is definitely against the rules and against the affiliate program putting you at risk to be kicked out. Nonsense!! The IFW sites are fully behind forum users sending referrals to the sites to do offers and paying the referrer for it knowing their referrals will be paid out of that money. This is how they operate. The only fraud is if you order a product or service with no intention of giving it a fair trial. This is very hard work and goes just like any business venture in that you may have slow going in money coming in at first, you may even loose some money, but with patience and persistence there is some very good money to be made on these trading forums. I know of people earning upwards of $50000.00 per year at it. Of course you have to invest money in this just as you would any business venture. You stated “Always remember, there is no get rich quick scheme.” Project Payday doesn’t claim that this is a get rich quick scheme at all in fact they tell you straight up that it isn’t and let you know that work is involved. Sorry you feel the way you do but I guess you aren’t cut out for something like this.

Hi Carol,
I was responding to the PPD review written by Steve. I see your previous post here:
Carol on Jul 28th, 2008 at 11:24 am

Hi Barb,
Yes, I am still with PPD. I have NOT gotten rich, but I have been able to make about $200 per month, so far. I am just now getting into another phase of PPD and will be making more as time goes on. This isn’t a get rich quick scheme, that’s for sure. It takes alot of patience. You have to believe in yourself and in PPD. You can’t let others tell you what a scam it is. If I had done that I wouldn’t be making what I am now. It did take me some time, but to me it was well worth it. For someone like me who has been forced into retirement this is the perfect answer. Hope that answers your questions. Have a great day.
Carol
I wanted to let others know that though this might not be for everyone it definitely does work. I also am getting ready to move to Method 2 in the near future and I have nothing but pure postive thoughts and faith that this is for me. Thanks for asking.
Linda

Firefox seems to be the best browser. You also need to clear your cookies before doing offers. There are still occasional offers that do not credit, or that take a couple of weeks to credit. But there are risks with everything you do. So far, I have received credit for everything I have done, except 1 offer. And it still may credit, I had to do a manual credit request. But, if it doesn’t it is no big deal. I can always do another offer.

Hahahaha Get’em HAHAHAhahahahah

Here’s the deal with project payday. You can def. make a lot of money. You just need to be really careful. In fact… the only useful thing I got out of it was being linked to a forum called Free Lunch. You can make a good bit of money there. You have to start slow and build up a high rating of coming through. Once you have a high rating though, you can pay after someone else comes through for you, meaning you don’t risk nearly as much.

The danger is in not paying enough attention. If you are not organized, this is not for you. Until you build up cred, you will inevitably need to sign up for a few free trials. This isn’t terrible, as someone will be paying you to do it, but if you forget to cancel any of those trials, they will all charge you automatically. You can get really screwed. Be careful.

Hey hey. We’re finally doing a proper review.

Carol,

I’m starting with an open mind – I’ve never tried anything like this before. If you’re available to answer some questions as to how it all works, would you mind e-mailing me? My e-mail address is my first name at cliopatra dot net.

Thanks!

Yes, that’s the right e-mail. Sorry, I’ve been deep in “going green” for the past few days.

I’m about to get started with ppd, 1St I heard it is a good idea to get a seperate checking acount to make things easier? True or not? And has there been alot of promblems with money being taken out of acoounts for reason? If anyone thathad any success could e-mail me to give advice i wold be very much appreciated. My address is gocubsgor1@yahoo.com

Bob, read the above link and yes, be very careful!!

chkkrboardchick,

If you really do plan on joining PPD (and I don’t recommend that you do) please don’t use your debit card to complete offers. There is far too much room for error. I had a jewelry company tell me they wouldn’t charge me a monthly fee of $70 until 14 days after the intial “trial” transaction, but they charged me just 4 days later. It took me almost 2 months to get that money back from them. I’ve read stories on the forums about people getting charged double, triple, and losing their mortgage payment, their car payment, whatever. Unless you’ve got oodles of money in the bank, use a credit card. At least you can dispute the charges and it won’t put that much of a dent in your liquidity.